Tagged With "band"

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500 person outdoor event

Ogre Joe ·
I'm running 2-F1 tops and 2-F1 bottoms wondering if this is acceptable horse power for this gig? Does anyone know what the typical max is for 1 set up before needing more? Will be running 5 piece band.
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Don't know what to choose.

The Mabess ·
We are a 3 piece band - we play small gigs (less than 100). 2 mics, 2 guitars, bass, cajon. Originally I thought the L1 compact with a mixer might work for us, but my husband was concerned about the bass. Checked out the L1 1S/B1 online.......so much info, my head is buzzing. Can anyone give me any pointers about what to choose. Thanks.
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Vocalist with Big Band

TMcCray ·
Hi - We have an L1 M2 with a B2 and the ToneMatch with 4 channels. The band consists of 5 tpt, 4 tbn, 6-7 sax, bass, drums, piano and vocalist. The only thing that is usually miked is the vocalist. Our last gig we used the L1 for the piano, too, which worked very well, I am not sure if we will continue with that setup or not. We perform in a wide range of spaces, generally either a large room, such as an activity room in a retirement home, or outside with an audience of 100-200 people. We...
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F1 Clear, Powerful, but not too loud!

jdbassentertainment.com ·
We just did a show where we provided sound and lighting for a fun party band... the F1 system had an interesting way of sounding full and powerful without sounding too loud. The band was great and the F1 System delivered! :)
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How can I control two separate master outputs on the Tonematch 8?

Rotnick ·
Our four piece classic rock band is performing for a local variety show. We play a 50 min preshow set and then turn around and become the pit band to accompany the chorus and play walk offs etc. I'm using my TM8 for 3 vocals, guitar, bass, keys, and Roland E-drums (7 inputs). For the preshow we need to hear our vocals without any latency/delay that we get through the auditorium mains. So I ran the left main XLR out to two wedges hooked up in series. By doing that, we were able to produce the...
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Musicians - What are you driving?

ST ·
I remember the day I realized I could pack enough L1 Classics into a car to support my four piece band. That was the day I sold my band van. What are you driving to gigs these days? What are you putting in it? DJs and KJs we've got a discussion for you: DJs and KJS - What are you driving?
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, Thank you for joining the Community. Please confirm: 70 long, 25 wide Is that feet or meters? What kind of music? Will people be in assigned seating or free to wander within the space? Thank you. ST
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Sorry - yes 70 feet long, 25 feet wide. No fixed chairs (not a theater) - there will be tables tables, chairs, standing. Music blues, jazz, rock, acoustic, stand-up comedy.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

jdbassentertainment.com ·
On a side note- I'd say you might want to add F1 Sub (or two) - I did an experiment when I first started using the F1 System. I played some hard rock through just a pair of 812s and then I added the F1 sub... What I found out was two things - the obvious... the bass was deeper and harder hitting, but the other was surprising to me... the limit light on the front would take longer to come on and I got more volume from the tops when the "with sub" light was on. The amount of extra head room...
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, In the space you've described, I would mount the F1 Model 812s vertically. Otherwise, you may not have enough horizontal dispersion to cover the room. When mounted horizontally, the F1 Model 812s have a horizontal dispersion of about 40°. when using the C-position for the flexible array. There are mounting brackets for the F1 Model 812 that allow for horizontal or vertical mounting. You'll have to call Bose directly to get them. How high is the room? Was there a reason you were...
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Ceiling is 10 feet high. thinking with the C configuration the sound could be better dispersed throgh the long and shallow room. it is my understsnding that the system has a 100 degree horizontal dispersion when vertical. would have thought it would be same horizontally and focused on seating area.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, When you turn the F1 Model 812 to a horizontal position (parallel to the floor) you get 100° vertical dispersion and 40° horizontal dispersion (with the flexible array in the C position). If you mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage that is centered on the 70-foot wall, you can expect much better coverage at the far ends of the room with the vertical orientation compared to the results than horizontal orientation. Does that clarify things? ST
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Here's a completely unscientific comparison that does not take into account reflections or frequencies. ST
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Well I thought the whole point of the FI 812 is to position the sound where it needs to be. So by using the "C" position horizontally should enable more lateral coverage. See attached change to your drawing, note the 8 speakers. Granted there is a limit on the vertical at this point but that can be focused. Thank you for your responses ST. Just trying to figure this thing out.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, The F1 Model 812 is a portable line array that allows you to change the vertical coverage pattern. We see that in the illustration here. Yes, you're right. The control allows you to direct the sound where it's needed. Something that is not visible in the pictures, is that when you have an array of drivers aligned vertically, (8 in the F1 Model 812) you tend to get wide horizontal dispersion and limited vertical dispersion. From the F1 Model 812 Technical Data Sheet 100° H x 40° V...
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
A little more - and I'm not suggesting that you change where you put the stage - but: If you put the stage on the 25-foot wall then you might want to limit the sound hitting the side walls. That's a situation where you could mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage in the horizontal position. You would set the array so the sound is directed inward, and not at the side walls. You would likely mount them high, and angle them down to avoid directing sound needlessly at the ceiling.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Yes - that is what i was thinking. thank you for your valuable insight ST.
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Re: SSG Edmond Lo Memorial Scholarship Fundraiser Clip

DaveyCrocket ·
Nurse Marten Nurse Marten edit: embedded the video
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

el'häuser ·
Hallo RF-Musiker, danke für den Hinweis, ich wusste das bis heute nicht... die neuen Geräte sind auf der NAMM Show vorgestellt worden und kommen jetzt im Feb./März auf den deutschen Markt. Als bekennender T1 Tonematch Fan bin ich natürlich sehr gespannt, was die Mischer können. Allerdings hält sich meine Freude in Grenzen, das es sich anscheinend lediglich um ein upgrade des T1 handelt, mit mehr Eingängen (4 oder 8) und das ganze in Stereo. Der Rest wurde vom T1 übernommen, Ich hatte...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Hallo Heinz. Im englischsprachigen Foren geht es natürlich mehr zur Sache, was die Neuheiten angeht. Ja, das scheint mehr oder weniger zu stimmen. Stereo ist für DJ's bestimmt nicht schlecht, aber ich kann mit mein T1 noch sehr gut leben. Auch hier würde ich dir zustimmen. Für kleine Mischpulte wie die T4S und T8S die so klein sind brauche ich keine Möglichkeiten Alles mit Tablet fernbedienen zu können solange ich mit L1 Systeme arbeite. Ich höre damit sowieso genau das was das Publikum hört...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Es muss ja nicht zwingend das Behringer Teil sein. Das würde am meisten punkten, wenn man auch gerne einen Exciter, 3D Effektprozessor und einen Vitalizer hätte. Von Soundcraft gibt es für lächerliche 255 EUR den UI12 Digitalmixer, der alles notwendige kann, sich mit jedem neueren PC, Mac und Tablet PC bedienen lässt, wenn dieser eben HTML 5 beherrscht, die 16 Kanalversion ist auch nur einen Tick teurer.
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Du hast Recht Ronny. Es muss nicht zwingend irgendein Teil sein. Der Behringer bewegt sich allerdings in eine ähnliche Preiskategorie verglichen mit die neuen T-Serien, ist sogar teuerer. Dafür stellt es für meine Begriffe die T-Serien in den Schatten, wenn mann weißt damit umzugehen. Ich bin nicht ganz unbedarft in dieser Hinsicht. Das Behringer Mixer erfüllt auch professioneller Erwartungen und ist extrem vielfältig (z.B. viele Aux-wege für Monitoring, viele Signalprozessoren, Midas...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Vom UI 12 gibt es ja auch noch 2 etwas größere Versionen. Ansonsten ist das UI 12 eben etwas, wenn man eine kleine Band hat, die eine Drummaschine hat oder wo der Drummer E-Drums spielt und dann reichen 12 Kanäle schon. Die 16 und 24 Kanalversion ist dann schon mehr etwas für eine Band, mit Sicherheit hat das Behringer-Teil dem gegenüber mehr Vorteile, als dass Ultrafex und Edison eingebaut sind und man dann so auch ohne Kondensatormikrofon einer Geige Glanz geben kann. Tonematch ist eben...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Was die Größe angeht muß ich dir Recht geben Ronny. Was der Preis angeht gibt es auch z.B. von Presonus den StudioLive 16.0.2 - 16 Kanal Digitalmischpult was bestimmt vielfältiger ist als das T8 im gleichen Preissegment, aber wie ich schon erwähnt habe muß man sich ein wenig mit Mischpulte generell auskennen. Hier ein wenig Info über den Presonus. https://www.musicstore.de/de_D...2/art-REC0008739-000 Für den weniger erfahrener Musiker haben die Bose Teile sicherlich Vorteile. Hätte Bose auch...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Musicstore ordnet Mischpulte irgendwie verkehrt ein. Das Presonus ist unter Mischpulte mit Firewire und das eine Tonematch als Analogmixer, muss man alles nicht verstehen. Dafür ermöglicht Thomann nicht, die Mischpulte, die zur Bedienung einen Computer brauchen, abzuwählen. Aber sowohl bei Musicstore, als auch Thomann kostet das einfachste Tonematch 399 EUR, der Bose T4S Mixer ist mit knapp 600 EUR auch das günstigste Digitalmischpult in Stereo, ein Digitalmischpult für über 800 EUR kann...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

el'häuser ·
Hallo Ronny und Tony! ich wollte jetzt keine hitzige Diskussion zwischen Euch entfachen, welcher digitale Stagebox-Mixer der beste ist oder das beste Preis-Leistungsverhältnis hat... Ich bin nach wie vor bekennender T1-Fan und begeisterter Anwender. Ich bin sicher, in einer 3-Mann Akustik-Combo gibts nix besseres! Was ich mit meinem Post sagen wollte, ist folgendes: Was Bose als Neuigkeit auf den Markt bringt ist lediglich ein Relaunch des T1 "in Stereo", nicht mehr und nicht weniger. Ich...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Hallo Heinz, Für mich hast du das auch nicht. Und ich bin auch nach wie vor bekennender T1-Fan was die erste Generation angeht. Hier stimme ich dir auch voll und ganz zu. Was anderes habe ich auch weiterhin nicht behauptet und habe auch nur sagen wollen, dass die neue T-Mischpulte von Bose für mich zu wenig für viel Geld anbieten wenn ich eh viel tweaken muß um gute Klangergebnisse zu realisieren. Seitz Jahren fragen viele Users hier wegen Presets und seit 10 Jahren ist nichts Neues gekommen...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
@R F-Musiker/ Musician Was der PresonusvStudioLive 16.0.2 angeht habe ich gesehen, dass der Produktion scheinbar eingestellt ist, also dieses Modell muss ich streichen. Es gibt sie vereinzelt noch zu kaufen aber es kommt nichts nach. Sorry, wenn es hierdurch zur Unklarheiten gekommen ist. Tony
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Der Preis von diesem Teil war ja auch sehr stark unter der Preisempfehlung und das ist immer dann der Fall, wenn ein Produkt Platz machen muss. Ich selbst liebäugle ja immer noch mit dem UI 12, da ja der Preis niedrig ist, ich eh einen Tablet-PC brauche und man sich an die Bedienung via Computer schon gewöhnen kann.
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Da hast Du Recht. Ich habe allerdings gesehen, dass Thomann den Presonus StudioLive 16.0.02 für 1078€ im Angebot. Viel Pult für "relativ" wenig Geld, aber es hängt alles von deine Bedürfnisse ab. Wenn Du auch noch mit dem Rechner aufnimmst hat das Ding Riesenvorteile. Kann ich verstehen. Ich denke hier steht ein super Preis/Leistungsverhältnis im Raum, und ist quasi Stagebox und fern-bedienbarer Mixer in einem. Für das Geld kann man wahrscheinlich nicht Ballzuviel falsch machen.
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

CityFolk ·
@Stephen what’s the instruments being used for the 5 piece and what style of music will you play?
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

Stephen ·
Hi, 3 vocal mics,bass reinforcement (D.I), kick drum and hi hat mics and possibly two guitars micced up
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

Stephen ·
And it's West Coast rock, such as Tom Petty
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

ST ·
Hi Stephen, Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. You're probably fine for the vocals. You'll get better gain-before-feedback for the guitars if you use pickups instead of microphones. The L1 Compact will do okay with the bass, although I would pan that to just one side so you don't have Multiple Source Interference with the low frequencies. I would also pan the kick drum to one side (the opposite side from the bass). This way you won't be hitting either L1 Compact with both...
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

Stephen ·
That is great advice, the only thing that puzzles me slightly is the advice online to take a mono output from the mixer and pan all channels left/ I presume I just take a lead from the out of whichever L1 the mixer is connected to to the other L1
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

CityFolk ·
I don’t have a L1 Compact, but a L1M2 with two B1s. So I don’t feel I’m totally qualified to comment. While the Compacts should be ok for the size of the space, I’m concerned about having enough bottom end and projection for your instrumentation and music styles. You might find this post useful from one of the forum experts. Also, here is a Wiki on the L1 Compact that you might find some additional useful info.
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

Stephen ·
Thanks I'll try it out on a practice, the guitars aren't particularly heavy so hopefully all will be good
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

ST ·
Hi Stephen, I can't know the source of that advice online. If it happened to be me, I'm sure the application was different - likely for someone who had only one L1 Compact. Sometimes this is known as a daisy chain and you'll end up running dual mono. That's okay when there's unlikely to be much overlap in the sound fields of two loudspeakers, but I wouldn't do that in your application. Mixer Connections - Outputs In your application I would connect the mixer LEFT output to one L1 Compact,...
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Re: L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

Stephen ·
It certainly is helpful as I am used to wiring that way and I look forward to giving it a go, many thanks
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Re: SSG Edmond Lo Memorial Scholarship Fundraiser Clip

DaveyCrocket ·
Full Production for Local Television
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F1 Amazing Sound, Small Footprint

jdbassentertainment.com ·
I recently had the pleasure of providing sound and lights for a five piece band that filled the stage! They took up 22 inputs on my board. They were an REO Speenwagon Tribute group. The venue was a local casino event hall that has a seating capacity of around 400. The F1 System I used at this show was two 812 tops & two F1 subs. I used the integrated stand and had them 25 feet apart on either side of the stage. The venue and band were both very happy with the sound and we got lots of...
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Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Als ich auf der Website eines Musikhändlers war, sah ich neue Bose Tonematch-Mixer und zwar 2 Modelle, die anscheinend in Stereo sind, somit also für die Nutzer eines Twinsets interessant sind. Preislich sind diese oberhalb des klassischen Tonematch-Mixers und sind die einzigen kompakten Digitalmixer, die keinen Tablet PC zur Bedienung brauchen. Diese Mischpulte müssten auch mit anderen Anlagen gut funktionieren, ich konnte selbst vergleichen und feststellen, dass die LD Systems MAUI 5 und...
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S1 Pro with a loud band

ST ·
I took the S1 Pro and a Boss GT-1 as my guitar rig to a gig in a noisy bar. The place holds about 75 boisterous patrons and the stage volume gets outrageous at times. The stage looked like this. From left to right: PA speaker (not F1 Model 812) L1® Compact aimed back as stage monitor ST on Guitar and vocals through the S1 Pro (not connected to anything else) Drums Bass Guitar through backline amp, and Vocals Guitar and vocals through pedalboard to the PA Keyboards through PA PA speaker (not...
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L1 Compact for 5 piece band in a pub

Stephen ·
I am just about to take delivery of 2 and my main use is for a 5 piece band in a standard pub environment with maybe up to 100 people. Do you think that combined with my 12 channel mixer that I will get sufficent output? Edits: Title: Previously "L1 Compact" Moved to L1 Family of Products forum Bose Pro Community Admin
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3rd Party subs / unclear responses and need

Gsharp9 ·
Hey everyone, new here - but not new to L1 systems. I have been reading countless posts for days here, and everywhere else i could. As always, the discussion about low end persist/plague the bose sphere. I would like to get a little more detailed and see if someone can shed a little light on my needs without seeming to just respond with an answer about paclite and additional B* units. Scenario: Outdoor gig - w/ need to throw full sound roughly 80' live and professionally tracked drums live...
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SSG Edmond Lo Memorial Scholarship Fundraiser Clip

DaveyCrocket ·
Diamond Edge Band 4 L1 M2 edit: Embedded the video.
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F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
In the process of shopping speakers for a live musician/band venue with audience capacity 50 to 75 plus. Long room with stage in center of long wall, 70 long, 25 wide. Looking for any feedback regarding horizontal ceiling mount of F1 812 (paired). Thank you edit : Subject changed - previously F1 812
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L1 and Digital mixing desk

gfad97 ·
Hi guys, just a quick question. I am looking to downgrade from my big rig that i use to 4x Bose L1 Model II with B2 Bass Module. I have currently brought one to see how my band gets on with it in rehearsals. so far they all really like it. But I also own an Allan and heath QU32 digital mixing desk followed by 2 Allan and Heath AB168 stage boxes to give me full 32 channels on stage via cat 5 cable. Is it possible to connect the 4x Bose system to the outputs of the stage boxes and route the 4...
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Bluegrass Band with L1®

ST ·
Hi j9carter, Thanks for using The Sketcher! This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others. -- click image to make changes to the live version -- Legend: L1® Model II or L1® Model 1S T1 ToneMatch® audio engine Quoting j9carter from The Sketcher We play in a bluegrass band that is all accoustic. The Stand up bass is the only pick-up.
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Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

GLB Productions ·
As a live sound engineer who is new to the Bose approach I've been watching videos of bands using the L1 systems live to get some idea of different set up possibilities. On the Bose YouTube channel there is a video of Foreigner doing a gig in 2014 with four L1 systems. There is a good overall shot of the stage at this point in the video: https://youtu.be/sibKEEBlfWs?t=1m28s I noticed a couple of things I'd like to ask about: 1. The band has two L1s behind them and two L1s in front, the...
 
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