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Big day out for my F1 and L1 systems!

Each year for the last few years I've provided front-of-house sound, DJ and MC services to a vineyard for a popular food, wine and music festival. This year I had a great time and my sound system worked a treat. Here's what the set up looked like. Here’s the equipment list: 2 x Bose F1 Model 812 Flexible Array Loudspeakers (Front of House) 2 x Bose F1 Subwoofers (Front of House) 2 x Bose L1 Compacts (fold-back monitors on the stage) 1 x Bose L1 Model 2 Loudspeaker with B2 Bass Module for...
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Erine ·
Impressive!
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jdbassentertainment.com ·
1200 on site, but how many by the music under the tent... Looks like maybe a few hundred??
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That's probably accurate, plus at least the same again outside the marquee, right in close, and the rest enjoying the music from other areas nearby. The sound travelled brilliantly.
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F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
In the process of shopping speakers for a live musician/band venue with audience capacity 50 to 75 plus. Long room with stage in center of long wall, 70 long, 25 wide. Looking for any feedback regarding horizontal ceiling mount of F1 812 (paired). Thank you edit : Subject changed - previously F1 812
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, Thank you for joining the Community. Please confirm: 70 long, 25 wide Is that feet or meters? What kind of music? Will people be in assigned seating or free to wander within the space? Thank you. ST
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enzo ·
Sorry - yes 70 feet long, 25 feet wide. No fixed chairs (not a theater) - there will be tables tables, chairs, standing. Music blues, jazz, rock, acoustic, stand-up comedy.
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jdbassentertainment.com ·
On a side note- I'd say you might want to add F1 Sub (or two) - I did an experiment when I first started using the F1 System. I played some hard rock through just a pair of 812s and then I added the F1 sub... What I found out was two things - the obvious... the bass was deeper and harder hitting, but the other was surprising to me... the limit light on the front would take longer to come on and I got more volume from the tops when the "with sub" light was on. The amount of extra head room...
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, In the space you've described, I would mount the F1 Model 812s vertically. Otherwise, you may not have enough horizontal dispersion to cover the room. When mounted horizontally, the F1 Model 812s have a horizontal dispersion of about 40°. when using the C-position for the flexible array. There are mounting brackets for the F1 Model 812 that allow for horizontal or vertical mounting. You'll have to call Bose directly to get them. How high is the room? Was there a reason you were...
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, When you turn the F1 Model 812 to a horizontal position (parallel to the floor) you get 100° vertical dispersion and 40° horizontal dispersion (with the flexible array in the C position). If you mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage that is centered on the 70-foot wall, you can expect much better coverage at the far ends of the room with the vertical orientation compared to the results than horizontal orientation. Does that clarify things? ST
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enzo ·
Ceiling is 10 feet high. thinking with the C configuration the sound could be better dispersed throgh the long and shallow room. it is my understsnding that the system has a 100 degree horizontal dispersion when vertical. would have thought it would be same horizontally and focused on seating area.
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ST ·
Here's a completely unscientific comparison that does not take into account reflections or frequencies. ST
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ST ·
A little more - and I'm not suggesting that you change where you put the stage - but: If you put the stage on the 25-foot wall then you might want to limit the sound hitting the side walls. That's a situation where you could mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage in the horizontal position. You would set the array so the sound is directed inward, and not at the side walls. You would likely mount them high, and angle them down to avoid directing sound needlessly at the ceiling.
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enzo ·
Yes - that is what i was thinking. thank you for your valuable insight ST.
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enzo ·
Well I thought the whole point of the FI 812 is to position the sound where it needs to be. So by using the "C" position horizontally should enable more lateral coverage. See attached change to your drawing, note the 8 speakers. Granted there is a limit on the vertical at this point but that can be focused. Thank you for your responses ST. Just trying to figure this thing out.
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, The F1 Model 812 is a portable line array that allows you to change the vertical coverage pattern. We see that in the illustration here. Yes, you're right. The control allows you to direct the sound where it's needed. Something that is not visible in the pictures, is that when you have an array of drivers aligned vertically, (8 in the F1 Model 812) you tend to get wide horizontal dispersion and limited vertical dispersion. From the F1 Model 812 Technical Data Sheet 100° H x 40° V...
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L1 and Digital mixing desk

gfad97 ·
Hi guys, just a quick question. I am looking to downgrade from my big rig that i use to 4x Bose L1 Model II with B2 Bass Module. I have currently brought one to see how my band gets on with it in rehearsals. so far they all really like it. But I also own an Allan and heath QU32 digital mixing desk followed by 2 Allan and Heath AB168 stage boxes to give me full 32 channels on stage via cat 5 cable. Is it possible to connect the 4x Bose system to the outputs of the stage boxes and route the 4...
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ST ·
Hi gfad97, Thank you for joining the Community. Thanks for the background information. For future reference: I found this information about the Allen & Heath QU-32 and Qu Mixer Getting Started Guide Allen & Heath AB168 and the User Guide . This really sounds like a QU-32 question rather than an L1® question. At a glance through the Allen & Heath documents, it looks like this should be possible. Let me encourage you to create four separate mixes and treat your stage as four zones...
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Bluegrass Band with L1®

ST ·
Hi j9carter, Thanks for using The Sketcher! This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others. -- click image to make changes to the live version -- Legend: L1® Model II or L1® Model 1S T1 ToneMatch® audio engine Quoting j9carter from The Sketcher We play in a bluegrass band that is all accoustic. The Stand up bass is the only pick-up.
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ST ·
Hi @J9carter It looks like you have a plan. Is this something you are doing now? How is it working for you? Need help? Please tell us about the places where you perform. Thank you, ST
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scottcald ·
I agree with ST, try and use it as intended. Are you really using 32 channels? If so, can you share what they are? I get that you want to have one fader to control everything, but it offers you less flexibility. Get a balance of what's in each L1 first, then you can use the Mix outputs to control each L1 and make your work pretty easy with mainly 4 faders to deal with. Hope that's helpful, Scott
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ST ·
Hi J9 (that's clever). How nice to meet you. Thank you for joining the Community. I'm delighted to hear that things went well for you last Saturday. What kind of microphone are you using for the Martin D-18? ST
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J9carter ·
Hi, We actually set it all up last Saturday in a large metal building with a cement floor and were very happy with the sound we got. Even got good volume out of just the one tower. Our main problem that we always run in to is getting the guitar to be loud enough. We have that mic so hot that it causes feedback. It's a constant struggle even when others are doing the sound for us. Do you have any suggestions on settings that would help mic a pre-war D-18 Martin guitar? It's running through...
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ST ·
Hi J9, The Shure SM137 looks like it could be okay for this application, but you'd need to have it close to the guitar and be careful that it can't see the L1®. That is, the line of sight from the microphone to the L1® should be obscured by the guitar player's body. What kind of feedback are you hearing; a high-pitched squeal or a lower-pitched howl? From your sketch, it looks like the SM137 is the fourth microphone connected to the T1®. The T1® has only 3 XLR inputs. How are you connecting...
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J9carter ·
Shure Beta 58A for vocals SM 137 for instruments (dobro has his own mic, not sure what it is) thanks!
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J9carter ·
PS. I was told a few times that the L1 wouldn't work with so many microphones. That the L1 was made for "plugging in"?
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Re: Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

JohnL ·
Hi Bruno, Yes, some people use the L1s in a traditional layout of FOH and stage monitor. Yes, this defeats the purpose of the L1. But, multiple L1s are more versatile to have than the traditional FOH/SM setup. I've used the L1s in almost all those configurations you mentioned. The reason for this is the same as all things audio related... it depends. I've used 2 Compacts as rear, side, and front monitors. And L1M2 as regular FOH flanking the stage. I've used 2 Compacts, and 2 L1M2 as rear...
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Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

GLB Productions ·
As a live sound engineer who is new to the Bose approach I've been watching videos of bands using the L1 systems live to get some idea of different set up possibilities. On the Bose YouTube channel there is a video of Foreigner doing a gig in 2014 with four L1 systems. There is a good overall shot of the stage at this point in the video: https://youtu.be/sibKEEBlfWs?t=1m28s I noticed a couple of things I'd like to ask about: 1. The band has two L1s behind them and two L1s in front, the...
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GLB Productions ·
Ah yes now THIS is something that I am looking forward to experimenting with - the idea that the monitors don't need a separate mix from the FOH and that you can tell the musicians with confidence that 'You're hearing the same thing I'm hearing'. My only concern is feedback at high levels because, line array or not, you can't change the laws of physics. Then you used the L1 compact for the string quartet did you have a mic on each player or one for the entire group? Bruno
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JohnL ·
Stereo miking for the group. They were arranged in a U around the mics. I've had better luck with feedback when the kids were low, almost on the floor facing up. The musicians were blocking the L1 and we're about 2 feet away from the mics. L1 compact was about 3 feet behind the group. If the gig is indoors, you can also rotate the L1 to face off to the side to spread the sound around the room, while further minimizing feedback potential then you can run a higher gain. Close lapel miking also...
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Re: Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

GLB Productions ·
Thanks ST, I've watched that video several times and am very keen to see how these ideas work out in practice - I've got a couple of tests lined up for the L1 compact this weekend. Will report back! Bruno
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ST ·
Hi Bruno, "... you can't change the laws of physics." I think you'll find this interesting. The L1® Approach and the History of Amplification ST
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SSG Edmond Lo Memorial Scholarship Fundraiser Clip

DaveyCrocket ·
Diamond Edge Band 4 L1 M2 edit: Embedded the video.
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DaveyCrocket ·
Nurse Marten Nurse Marten edit: embedded the video
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Re: Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

JohnL ·
Hi Bruno, I'm not sure if you can see, but in this setup, I was miking an a cappella group and I was using 4 mics. The two condensers in the middle and if you look closely, you'll see two boundary mics on the floor. Those were directed towards the side singers. The reason for this was that having the singers between the mic and the L1, eliminated any potential feedback issues. The stand mics did double duty for the back singers and any soloists that stood up and moved closer to the mics. The...
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DaveyCrocket ·
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F1 Amazing Sound, Small Footprint

jdbassentertainment.com ·
I recently had the pleasure of providing sound and lights for a five piece band that filled the stage! They took up 22 inputs on my board. They were an REO Speenwagon Tribute group. The venue was a local casino event hall that has a seating capacity of around 400. The F1 System I used at this show was two 812 tops & two F1 subs. I used the integrated stand and had them 25 feet apart on either side of the stage. The venue and band were both very happy with the sound and we got lots of...
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DJ8X ·
I took my 2 F1 Systems out for a spin last night. It was a corporate function downtown Chicago. The attendance was roughly 370 people. The 2 systems covered this quite well. There were maybe up to 100 in the dancing area while the rest were spread out throughout the room. Interesting thing is, I still had more volume to give them but didn't need it.
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Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Als ich auf der Website eines Musikhändlers war, sah ich neue Bose Tonematch-Mixer und zwar 2 Modelle, die anscheinend in Stereo sind, somit also für die Nutzer eines Twinsets interessant sind. Preislich sind diese oberhalb des klassischen Tonematch-Mixers und sind die einzigen kompakten Digitalmixer, die keinen Tablet PC zur Bedienung brauchen. Diese Mischpulte müssten auch mit anderen Anlagen gut funktionieren, ich konnte selbst vergleichen und feststellen, dass die LD Systems MAUI 5 und...
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el'häuser ·
Hallo RF-Musiker, danke für den Hinweis, ich wusste das bis heute nicht... die neuen Geräte sind auf der NAMM Show vorgestellt worden und kommen jetzt im Feb./März auf den deutschen Markt. Als bekennender T1 Tonematch Fan bin ich natürlich sehr gespannt, was die Mischer können. Allerdings hält sich meine Freude in Grenzen, das es sich anscheinend lediglich um ein upgrade des T1 handelt, mit mehr Eingängen (4 oder 8) und das ganze in Stereo. Der Rest wurde vom T1 übernommen, Ich hatte...
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Seagullman ·
Hallo Heinz. Im englischsprachigen Foren geht es natürlich mehr zur Sache, was die Neuheiten angeht. Ja, das scheint mehr oder weniger zu stimmen. Stereo ist für DJ's bestimmt nicht schlecht, aber ich kann mit mein T1 noch sehr gut leben. Auch hier würde ich dir zustimmen. Für kleine Mischpulte wie die T4S und T8S die so klein sind brauche ich keine Möglichkeiten Alles mit Tablet fernbedienen zu können solange ich mit L1 Systeme arbeite. Ich höre damit sowieso genau das was das Publikum hört...
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RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Es muss ja nicht zwingend das Behringer Teil sein. Das würde am meisten punkten, wenn man auch gerne einen Exciter, 3D Effektprozessor und einen Vitalizer hätte. Von Soundcraft gibt es für lächerliche 255 EUR den UI12 Digitalmixer, der alles notwendige kann, sich mit jedem neueren PC, Mac und Tablet PC bedienen lässt, wenn dieser eben HTML 5 beherrscht, die 16 Kanalversion ist auch nur einen Tick teurer.
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RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Musicstore ordnet Mischpulte irgendwie verkehrt ein. Das Presonus ist unter Mischpulte mit Firewire und das eine Tonematch als Analogmixer, muss man alles nicht verstehen. Dafür ermöglicht Thomann nicht, die Mischpulte, die zur Bedienung einen Computer brauchen, abzuwählen. Aber sowohl bei Musicstore, als auch Thomann kostet das einfachste Tonematch 399 EUR, der Bose T4S Mixer ist mit knapp 600 EUR auch das günstigste Digitalmischpult in Stereo, ein Digitalmischpult für über 800 EUR kann...
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Seagullman ·
Was die Größe angeht muß ich dir Recht geben Ronny. Was der Preis angeht gibt es auch z.B. von Presonus den StudioLive 16.0.2 - 16 Kanal Digitalmischpult was bestimmt vielfältiger ist als das T8 im gleichen Preissegment, aber wie ich schon erwähnt habe muß man sich ein wenig mit Mischpulte generell auskennen. Hier ein wenig Info über den Presonus. https://www.musicstore.de/de_D...2/art-REC0008739-000 Für den weniger erfahrener Musiker haben die Bose Teile sicherlich Vorteile. Hätte Bose auch...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Vom UI 12 gibt es ja auch noch 2 etwas größere Versionen. Ansonsten ist das UI 12 eben etwas, wenn man eine kleine Band hat, die eine Drummaschine hat oder wo der Drummer E-Drums spielt und dann reichen 12 Kanäle schon. Die 16 und 24 Kanalversion ist dann schon mehr etwas für eine Band, mit Sicherheit hat das Behringer-Teil dem gegenüber mehr Vorteile, als dass Ultrafex und Edison eingebaut sind und man dann so auch ohne Kondensatormikrofon einer Geige Glanz geben kann. Tonematch ist eben...
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Seagullman ·
Du hast Recht Ronny. Es muss nicht zwingend irgendein Teil sein. Der Behringer bewegt sich allerdings in eine ähnliche Preiskategorie verglichen mit die neuen T-Serien, ist sogar teuerer. Dafür stellt es für meine Begriffe die T-Serien in den Schatten, wenn mann weißt damit umzugehen. Ich bin nicht ganz unbedarft in dieser Hinsicht. Das Behringer Mixer erfüllt auch professioneller Erwartungen und ist extrem vielfältig (z.B. viele Aux-wege für Monitoring, viele Signalprozessoren, Midas...
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Re: Neue Tonematch-Mixer

Seagullman ·
Hallo Heinz, Für mich hast du das auch nicht. Und ich bin auch nach wie vor bekennender T1-Fan was die erste Generation angeht. Hier stimme ich dir auch voll und ganz zu. Was anderes habe ich auch weiterhin nicht behauptet und habe auch nur sagen wollen, dass die neue T-Mischpulte von Bose für mich zu wenig für viel Geld anbieten wenn ich eh viel tweaken muß um gute Klangergebnisse zu realisieren. Seitz Jahren fragen viele Users hier wegen Presets und seit 10 Jahren ist nichts Neues gekommen...
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el'häuser ·
Hallo Ronny und Tony! ich wollte jetzt keine hitzige Diskussion zwischen Euch entfachen, welcher digitale Stagebox-Mixer der beste ist oder das beste Preis-Leistungsverhältnis hat... Ich bin nach wie vor bekennender T1-Fan und begeisterter Anwender. Ich bin sicher, in einer 3-Mann Akustik-Combo gibts nix besseres! Was ich mit meinem Post sagen wollte, ist folgendes: Was Bose als Neuigkeit auf den Markt bringt ist lediglich ein Relaunch des T1 "in Stereo", nicht mehr und nicht weniger. Ich...
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Seagullman ·
@R F-Musiker/ Musician Was der PresonusvStudioLive 16.0.2 angeht habe ich gesehen, dass der Produktion scheinbar eingestellt ist, also dieses Modell muss ich streichen. Es gibt sie vereinzelt noch zu kaufen aber es kommt nichts nach. Sorry, wenn es hierdurch zur Unklarheiten gekommen ist. Tony
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RF-Musiker/ Musician ·
Der Preis von diesem Teil war ja auch sehr stark unter der Preisempfehlung und das ist immer dann der Fall, wenn ein Produkt Platz machen muss. Ich selbst liebäugle ja immer noch mit dem UI 12, da ja der Preis niedrig ist, ich eh einen Tablet-PC brauche und man sich an die Bedienung via Computer schon gewöhnen kann.
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