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Big day out for my F1 and L1 systems!

Each year for the last few years I've provided front-of-house sound, DJ and MC services to a vineyard for a popular food, wine and music festival. This year I had a great time and my sound system worked a treat. Here's what the set up looked like. Here’s the equipment list: 2 x Bose F1 Model 812 Flexible Array Loudspeakers (Front of House) 2 x Bose F1 Subwoofers (Front of House) 2 x Bose L1 Compacts (fold-back monitors on the stage) 1 x Bose L1 Model 2 Loudspeaker with B2 Bass Module for...
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Erine ·
Impressive!
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jdbassentertainment.com ·
1200 on site, but how many by the music under the tent... Looks like maybe a few hundred??
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That's probably accurate, plus at least the same again outside the marquee, right in close, and the rest enjoying the music from other areas nearby. The sound travelled brilliantly.
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F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
In the process of shopping speakers for a live musician/band venue with audience capacity 50 to 75 plus. Long room with stage in center of long wall, 70 long, 25 wide. Looking for any feedback regarding horizontal ceiling mount of F1 812 (paired). Thank you edit : Subject changed - previously F1 812
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, Thank you for joining the Community. Please confirm: 70 long, 25 wide Is that feet or meters? What kind of music? Will people be in assigned seating or free to wander within the space? Thank you. ST
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enzo ·
Sorry - yes 70 feet long, 25 feet wide. No fixed chairs (not a theater) - there will be tables tables, chairs, standing. Music blues, jazz, rock, acoustic, stand-up comedy.
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jdbassentertainment.com ·
On a side note- I'd say you might want to add F1 Sub (or two) - I did an experiment when I first started using the F1 System. I played some hard rock through just a pair of 812s and then I added the F1 sub... What I found out was two things - the obvious... the bass was deeper and harder hitting, but the other was surprising to me... the limit light on the front would take longer to come on and I got more volume from the tops when the "with sub" light was on. The amount of extra head room...
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, In the space you've described, I would mount the F1 Model 812s vertically. Otherwise, you may not have enough horizontal dispersion to cover the room. When mounted horizontally, the F1 Model 812s have a horizontal dispersion of about 40°. when using the C-position for the flexible array. There are mounting brackets for the F1 Model 812 that allow for horizontal or vertical mounting. You'll have to call Bose directly to get them. How high is the room? Was there a reason you were...
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, When you turn the F1 Model 812 to a horizontal position (parallel to the floor) you get 100° vertical dispersion and 40° horizontal dispersion (with the flexible array in the C position). If you mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage that is centered on the 70-foot wall, you can expect much better coverage at the far ends of the room with the vertical orientation compared to the results than horizontal orientation. Does that clarify things? ST
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enzo ·
Ceiling is 10 feet high. thinking with the C configuration the sound could be better dispersed throgh the long and shallow room. it is my understsnding that the system has a 100 degree horizontal dispersion when vertical. would have thought it would be same horizontally and focused on seating area.
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ST ·
Here's a completely unscientific comparison that does not take into account reflections or frequencies. ST
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ST ·
A little more - and I'm not suggesting that you change where you put the stage - but: If you put the stage on the 25-foot wall then you might want to limit the sound hitting the side walls. That's a situation where you could mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage in the horizontal position. You would set the array so the sound is directed inward, and not at the side walls. You would likely mount them high, and angle them down to avoid directing sound needlessly at the ceiling.
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enzo ·
Yes - that is what i was thinking. thank you for your valuable insight ST.
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enzo ·
Well I thought the whole point of the FI 812 is to position the sound where it needs to be. So by using the "C" position horizontally should enable more lateral coverage. See attached change to your drawing, note the 8 speakers. Granted there is a limit on the vertical at this point but that can be focused. Thank you for your responses ST. Just trying to figure this thing out.
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ST ·
Hi Enzo, The F1 Model 812 is a portable line array that allows you to change the vertical coverage pattern. We see that in the illustration here. Yes, you're right. The control allows you to direct the sound where it's needed. Something that is not visible in the pictures, is that when you have an array of drivers aligned vertically, (8 in the F1 Model 812) you tend to get wide horizontal dispersion and limited vertical dispersion. From the F1 Model 812 Technical Data Sheet 100° H x 40° V...
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L1 and Digital mixing desk

gfad97 ·
Hi guys, just a quick question. I am looking to downgrade from my big rig that i use to 4x Bose L1 Model II with B2 Bass Module. I have currently brought one to see how my band gets on with it in rehearsals. so far they all really like it. But I also own an Allan and heath QU32 digital mixing desk followed by 2 Allan and Heath AB168 stage boxes to give me full 32 channels on stage via cat 5 cable. Is it possible to connect the 4x Bose system to the outputs of the stage boxes and route the 4...
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ST ·
Hi gfad97, Thank you for joining the Community. Thanks for the background information. For future reference: I found this information about the Allen & Heath QU-32 and Qu Mixer Getting Started Guide Allen & Heath AB168 and the User Guide . This really sounds like a QU-32 question rather than an L1® question. At a glance through the Allen & Heath documents, it looks like this should be possible. Let me encourage you to create four separate mixes and treat your stage as four zones...
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Bluegrass Band with L1®

ST ·
Hi j9carter, Thanks for using The Sketcher! This is just a quick note to send you a link to your Sketch in case you want to review it, edit it, or share it with others. -- click image to make changes to the live version -- Legend: L1® Model II or L1® Model 1S T1 ToneMatch® audio engine Quoting j9carter from The Sketcher We play in a bluegrass band that is all accoustic. The Stand up bass is the only pick-up.
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ST ·
Hi @J9carter It looks like you have a plan. Is this something you are doing now? How is it working for you? Need help? Please tell us about the places where you perform. Thank you, ST
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scottcald ·
I agree with ST, try and use it as intended. Are you really using 32 channels? If so, can you share what they are? I get that you want to have one fader to control everything, but it offers you less flexibility. Get a balance of what's in each L1 first, then you can use the Mix outputs to control each L1 and make your work pretty easy with mainly 4 faders to deal with. Hope that's helpful, Scott
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ST ·
Hi J9 (that's clever). How nice to meet you. Thank you for joining the Community. I'm delighted to hear that things went well for you last Saturday. What kind of microphone are you using for the Martin D-18? ST
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J9carter ·
Hi, We actually set it all up last Saturday in a large metal building with a cement floor and were very happy with the sound we got. Even got good volume out of just the one tower. Our main problem that we always run in to is getting the guitar to be loud enough. We have that mic so hot that it causes feedback. It's a constant struggle even when others are doing the sound for us. Do you have any suggestions on settings that would help mic a pre-war D-18 Martin guitar? It's running through...
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ST ·
Hi J9, The Shure SM137 looks like it could be okay for this application, but you'd need to have it close to the guitar and be careful that it can't see the L1®. That is, the line of sight from the microphone to the L1® should be obscured by the guitar player's body. What kind of feedback are you hearing; a high-pitched squeal or a lower-pitched howl? From your sketch, it looks like the SM137 is the fourth microphone connected to the T1®. The T1® has only 3 XLR inputs. How are you connecting...
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J9carter ·
Shure Beta 58A for vocals SM 137 for instruments (dobro has his own mic, not sure what it is) thanks!
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J9carter ·
PS. I was told a few times that the L1 wouldn't work with so many microphones. That the L1 was made for "plugging in"?
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Re: Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

JohnL ·
Hi Bruno, Yes, some people use the L1s in a traditional layout of FOH and stage monitor. Yes, this defeats the purpose of the L1. But, multiple L1s are more versatile to have than the traditional FOH/SM setup. I've used the L1s in almost all those configurations you mentioned. The reason for this is the same as all things audio related... it depends. I've used 2 Compacts as rear, side, and front monitors. And L1M2 as regular FOH flanking the stage. I've used 2 Compacts, and 2 L1M2 as rear...
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Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

GLB Productions ·
As a live sound engineer who is new to the Bose approach I've been watching videos of bands using the L1 systems live to get some idea of different set up possibilities. On the Bose YouTube channel there is a video of Foreigner doing a gig in 2014 with four L1 systems. There is a good overall shot of the stage at this point in the video: https://youtu.be/sibKEEBlfWs?t=1m28s I noticed a couple of things I'd like to ask about: 1. The band has two L1s behind them and two L1s in front, the...
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GLB Productions ·
Ah yes now THIS is something that I am looking forward to experimenting with - the idea that the monitors don't need a separate mix from the FOH and that you can tell the musicians with confidence that 'You're hearing the same thing I'm hearing'. My only concern is feedback at high levels because, line array or not, you can't change the laws of physics. Then you used the L1 compact for the string quartet did you have a mic on each player or one for the entire group? Bruno
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JohnL ·
Stereo miking for the group. They were arranged in a U around the mics. I've had better luck with feedback when the kids were low, almost on the floor facing up. The musicians were blocking the L1 and we're about 2 feet away from the mics. L1 compact was about 3 feet behind the group. If the gig is indoors, you can also rotate the L1 to face off to the side to spread the sound around the room, while further minimizing feedback potential then you can run a higher gain. Close lapel miking also...
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Re: Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

GLB Productions ·
Thanks ST, I've watched that video several times and am very keen to see how these ideas work out in practice - I've got a couple of tests lined up for the L1 compact this weekend. Will report back! Bruno
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ST ·
Hi Bruno, "... you can't change the laws of physics." I think you'll find this interesting. The L1® Approach and the History of Amplification ST
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SSG Edmond Lo Memorial Scholarship Fundraiser Clip

DaveyCrocket ·
Diamond Edge Band 4 L1 M2 edit: Embedded the video.
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DaveyCrocket ·
Nurse Marten Nurse Marten edit: embedded the video
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Re: Observations from "Foreigner Performs on Bose L1 Systems" video

JohnL ·
Hi Bruno, I'm not sure if you can see, but in this setup, I was miking an a cappella group and I was using 4 mics. The two condensers in the middle and if you look closely, you'll see two boundary mics on the floor. Those were directed towards the side singers. The reason for this was that having the singers between the mic and the L1, eliminated any potential feedback issues. The stand mics did double duty for the back singers and any soloists that stood up and moved closer to the mics. The...
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DaveyCrocket ·
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