Tagged With "812"

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ToneMatch Mixer for F1 Model 812

cformony ·
ok, I just bought a f1 812 system and was wondering why I need a tone match mixer since there is no tonematch port.... would I be better off just getting a Yamaha analog mixer. why would I want a t4 or t8? Edit Subject. Previously "help??"
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F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
I'm having trouble getting my f1s to have the power and punch I need for 3 piece band. My signal is presonus studiolive 16.4.2 AI into 2 f1 subs out to 2 f1 line arrays. The arrays are set to "with sub, line level" and subs are set to "thru". As soon as I get to a level the kick sounds good at the arrays flash red. And the subs "signal indication" light does not come on most of the time. Please help! Edit Subject: Previously "Need help" Bose Pro Community Admin
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, Thank you for joining the Community. Please confirm: 70 long, 25 wide Is that feet or meters? What kind of music? Will people be in assigned seating or free to wander within the space? Thank you. ST
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Sorry - yes 70 feet long, 25 feet wide. No fixed chairs (not a theater) - there will be tables tables, chairs, standing. Music blues, jazz, rock, acoustic, stand-up comedy.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

jdbassentertainment.com ·
On a side note- I'd say you might want to add F1 Sub (or two) - I did an experiment when I first started using the F1 System. I played some hard rock through just a pair of 812s and then I added the F1 sub... What I found out was two things - the obvious... the bass was deeper and harder hitting, but the other was surprising to me... the limit light on the front would take longer to come on and I got more volume from the tops when the "with sub" light was on. The amount of extra head room...
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, In the space you've described, I would mount the F1 Model 812s vertically. Otherwise, you may not have enough horizontal dispersion to cover the room. When mounted horizontally, the F1 Model 812s have a horizontal dispersion of about 40°. when using the C-position for the flexible array. There are mounting brackets for the F1 Model 812 that allow for horizontal or vertical mounting. You'll have to call Bose directly to get them. How high is the room? Was there a reason you were...
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Ceiling is 10 feet high. thinking with the C configuration the sound could be better dispersed throgh the long and shallow room. it is my understsnding that the system has a 100 degree horizontal dispersion when vertical. would have thought it would be same horizontally and focused on seating area.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, When you turn the F1 Model 812 to a horizontal position (parallel to the floor) you get 100° vertical dispersion and 40° horizontal dispersion (with the flexible array in the C position). If you mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage that is centered on the 70-foot wall, you can expect much better coverage at the far ends of the room with the vertical orientation compared to the results than horizontal orientation. Does that clarify things? ST
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Here's a completely unscientific comparison that does not take into account reflections or frequencies. ST
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Well I thought the whole point of the FI 812 is to position the sound where it needs to be. So by using the "C" position horizontally should enable more lateral coverage. See attached change to your drawing, note the 8 speakers. Granted there is a limit on the vertical at this point but that can be focused. Thank you for your responses ST. Just trying to figure this thing out.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
Hi Enzo, The F1 Model 812 is a portable line array that allows you to change the vertical coverage pattern. We see that in the illustration here. Yes, you're right. The control allows you to direct the sound where it's needed. Something that is not visible in the pictures, is that when you have an array of drivers aligned vertically, (8 in the F1 Model 812) you tend to get wide horizontal dispersion and limited vertical dispersion. From the F1 Model 812 Technical Data Sheet 100° H x 40° V...
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

ST ·
A little more - and I'm not suggesting that you change where you put the stage - but: If you put the stage on the 25-foot wall then you might want to limit the sound hitting the side walls. That's a situation where you could mount the F1 Model 812s on either side of the stage in the horizontal position. You would set the array so the sound is directed inward, and not at the side walls. You would likely mount them high, and angle them down to avoid directing sound needlessly at the ceiling.
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Re: F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
Yes - that is what i was thinking. thank you for your valuable insight ST.
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Re: Adding a F1/812 to a T1 system

MattS-at-Bose ·
Hi galleryg, It sounds like you’re considering the right stuff here. I agree if you were to run an additional L1 II you would probably be better served to split the sources between the two. Even if you ran two L1 IIs with identical signals they don’t necessarily approach doubling the output: http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/inde..._Distributed_Systems So if your L1 II is challenged with your mix at greater than 200 seat gigs, I think you’re right to consider the F1 which has much more power. To...
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

ST ·
Hi Slaughter, Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community. Try this: Connect the outputs of the Presonus StudioLive 16.4.2 AI to the F1 Model 812 inputs. Volume Controls and Signal / Clip lights Typically you will want to set your source (usually a mixer or T1 ToneMatch ® Audio Engine or ToneMatch Mixer [1] ) to the maximum you can without clipping. When setting the Volume Control on the F1 Model 812 you can turn up the Volume Control until you see solid red, and then turn it down a little.
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
I will try it out on Friday and let you know, Thank you ST!!
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

SoundGeek ·
Personally, I would advise running the subs from an Aux channel instead of being pass-throughs to the mains. This allows you to have more control over how much bottom end you have in relation to the mains and can easily vary it as needed through the whole event. That's just my personal preference but I'm a sound tech so I'm at the mixer during the entire event/show etc. Even without a sound tech (and varying the subs by song/desired effect/etc.), I'm confident that you could get a strong...
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
Thanx for the reply SG! I'll try it out, I'm pretty new to running sound. Will that be easy to adjust using the UC Surface app? So all 4 speakers are ran to the mixer separately instead of 2 with a daisy chain?
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

SoundGeek ·
I'm sorry but I haven't used the UC Surface app or the Presonus 16:4:2 board, but I can look at the manual if you need assistance. Yes, you would have a separate XLR cable for each speaker. However, I would run both of the subs off of the same Aux channel. (two physical connections on the 16:4:2 but you setup both of those outputs to be driven by your single desired Aux channel for the sub mix) Then you only put the things in that Aux mix that need to go to the subs. such as: Keys, Kick,...
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
Yeah, it sounds pretty complicated lol! I will definitely try this, thank you!! Have you ever used the "HPF" switch on the sub instead of "thru" ? When do I use it?
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

SoundGeek ·
Yes, I have used it on occasion but very rarely since I mainly use Aux fed subs. The way that you set the switches on the 812 and the sub varies depending on whether you run the XLR cable to the 812 first or the sub first. ("Daisy Chain" setup that you currently use) See the attachment from the Bose F1 manual for the recommended switch settings. Which speaker do you currently go to directly from the mixer, 812 or Sub?
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
I'm going from mixer into sub, top set to "with sub" and sub set to "thru" But I was told to run into the tops first and use "with sub" (on tops) and "HPF" (on subs)
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

ST ·
Hi Slaughter, Regardless of whether you Connect the F1 Subwoofers to the mixer Aux outputs OR Connect the F1 Subwoofers to the F1 Model 812 LINE OUTs set up the connection for the F1 Model 812s as I described in my post above (with the picture of the input panel) . On the F1 Model 812s try the EQ - FULL RANGE or WITH SUB - listen and let your ears decide. ST
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

SoundGeek ·
" I'm going from mixer into sub, top set to "with sub" and sub set to "thru" But I was told to run into the tops first and use "with sub" (on tops) and "HPF" (on subs) " The first scenario running to the sub with it set to "thru" means that the High Pass Filter is disabled so the entire signal is going thru to the 812. Then with the 812 set to "with sub" it is applying its own HPF filter to block frequencies below 100 Hz from being handled by itself. The second scenario of running to the 812...
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

ST ·
Hi Slaughter, SoundGeek. I didn't address the MIC/LINE switch in that picture which an excerpt from Volume Controls and Signal / Clip lights In that article it goes on to say Input 1 The SIGNAL INPUT switch sets the input sensitivity. The MIC setting does not apply any microphone specific EQ. In this way, it is different from the L1® Compact Channel 1 input. Ideally the F1 Model 812 should receive a input level of +24 dBu to use the Line Level setting. If your source has an output level...
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
Thank you Sound Geek & ST my mixer is up to +24dbu. Should the output volume knob on the back of the mixer be all the way up? Or is that different? So what your saying is the way I've been setting it up is bypassing the hpf and overloading the tops? I'll be setting up in a few hours for a gig tonight, I'll let ya'll know what happens. Hopefully I don't screw it up (again)!! Thanx everyone!
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

ST ·
Hi Slaughter. This one? click the picture to see the owners manual Yes If you are not seeing solid red (for more than one second) on the F1 Model 812, or seeing the Limiter light - you are not overloading them. Give yourself some extra time. If you can, set things up at home first. That's a good investment for your time. Rehearing your setup is just as important as rehearsing your show. ST
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
Yes that's the knob, so it needs to be all the way up? I'm getting there at 6 to set up we start playing at 9, so I can try all these things THANK YOU!
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

Slaughter ·
Hey everyone, last night I set up mixer into 812s then into subs. Did a few EQ adjustments and it sounded great with tons of head room! I wanted to try the subs on the auxiliary channel but noticed my mixer only takes 1/4 for aux, so I'm gonna buy a few XLR to 1/4 cables and try it next gig. It was pretty cool getting the sound/punch i wanted without seeing red lights come on every hit, and ACTUALLY seeing the signal indication light come on the subs for the first time! If something else...
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Re: F1 Model 812 with F1 Subwoofers - having trouble getting my F1s to have the power and punch

ST ·
Hey Slaughter, That's great news. Thanks for coming back to tell us how things turned out last night. As for more questions - of course, we'll be happy to hear from you. ST
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Re: F1 812 Power Supply Problem

MattS-at-Bose ·
Hi Mateus, Sorry for the trouble. For US service please call 877-335-2673. For service outside the US, please contact local service: https://global.bose.com/en_us/index.html Thanks, MattS-at-Bose
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Re: Array configuration for F1 812

ST ·
Hi Mario, Thank you for joining the Community. I'm glad you're here. You can mount the F1 Model 812 on top of the F1 Subwoofer with its integrated stand or you can put it on a tripod stand. In either case, if the audience (ears) are below the bottom of the F1 Model 812 then use the J-position. The J-position is the bottom left picture. Does that help? ST
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Re: Array configuration for F1 812

Mario ·
Thank you!
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Re: Would L1 model 2 work as monitors with F1 system

ST ·
Hi dbmurcia, Thank you for joining the Community. This is a wonderful question! Looking at your diagram (thank you!) - it appears the distance from the L1®s to the F1s is about 12 meters. Is that correct? Overall, I think this could work very well. If the distance is 12 meters between the L1®s and the F1s, you'll want to introduce about 40 milliseconds delay between the L1®s and F1s so the sound is synchronized for the people who can hear both. That is: for the people who are in the area...
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F1 812 clipping

Daffyduxxx 2 ·
hi, we we are a 5 piece band, going through an Allen and Heath mix wizard 3 to two F1 subs then out of subs to two F1 812s. We are getting a lot of clipping (red light) on the 812s during our performance. The mixer's mains and channel faders are set to unity gain. The 812s are set to "with sub" and the subs are set to full range. The volumes of all speakers are around the 1 o'clock mark. can anyone shed any light on how to address this clipping issue. it appears to happen most when more than...
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Proper DJ Setup with T1 vs T4 or T8

DJ Cory Barron ·
Greetings all, This is my first post on the forum. I have number of the Bose professional products, but i'm not sure i'm running them correctly. Typically if i'm using the F1 812 set up I will take the controller straight in. If i'm using the L1MIIB2 its through the T1 as described below. As a DJ I run my controller (Pioneer DDJSX2) main XLR L & R outputs to the T1 in Ch. 1 & Ch. 2 One the T1, I run the master Vol. at 50%, Ch. 1 & Ch. 2 Trim at all the way down & Vol. at 50%...
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Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
Hi, I play in a Pink Floyd 4 piece cover band (Midnight-Floyd.com) and we had very mixed results with the F1s for various reasons. One of the issues we have a lot is feedback because we often loop 2 600w Harbingers between the 812s and the mixer. So the chain is currently: Mixer XAir18 -> Sennheiser In Ear Monitor Transmitter -> Harbinger Monitor -> F1 812 -> F1 Sub. We are all plugged into the mixer (Digital drum set, bass direct in, Kemper profiling amp, keys, mics) The reason...
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Array configuration for F1 812

Mario ·
Which "pattern" is best for the F1 812 for an audience that is seated and the band is playing on the floor and NOT on a riser/stage? Thanks!
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Would L1 model 2 work as monitors with F1 system

dbmurcia ·
Hi, some background info. My sons are in a Coldplay tribute band and do gigs in venues for between 200 - 800 people (inside and and outside). I recently upgraded their PA to 2x F1 tops & 2x 812 subs the FOH sound is fantastic, really happy with them. The problem is they now have a stage set up with a stage runway of around 4 meters for the vocalist. I have to say the crowd love it and it makes it more Coldplay. The issue is major feedback with the PA situated in the conventional area...
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F1 812x2 and F1 Subx1 Configuration

hiepngq ·
Hi all, I have recently purchased 2xf1 812, 1xf1 sub, and behringer x air xr12 mixer for some karaoke/live singing in/out door. One issue I am currently having is when the music is playing there are some squeaky noise. Since i do not have enough technical to describe the issue, I have included a short record with issue is noticed at 14-18 seconds. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BxDWoxMJPOzCbUJja2Y3M2hYX1U (link to record clip with issue) this issue occurs on almost every song and i do not...
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F1 812 hiss

SoundGeek ·
812 Owners I just purchased two new F1 812s. Does anyone else have a white noise type sound from 5kHz to about 9kHz when the F1s are turned on, with all inputs open, gains set to zero and input set to Line? It's low level and would not be noticeable once music or singing begins for a live band or DJing but it definitely raises the noise floor and would most likely be noticeable sitting close to the 812s in a very quiet room. (such as a conference or play/drama, etc.) Just curious if this is...
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F1 812 - horizontal ceiling mount

enzo ·
In the process of shopping speakers for a live musician/band venue with audience capacity 50 to 75 plus. Long room with stage in center of long wall, 70 long, 25 wide. Looking for any feedback regarding horizontal ceiling mount of F1 812 (paired). Thank you edit : Subject changed - previously F1 812
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Adding a F1/812 to a T1 system

galleryg ·
Hi I currently have a L1 II/B2 system with two T1's and a added 12 channel sub mixer. I love the sound we are getting but want to improve on it for using with a larger venue. We are a four piece band with two on vox. Two guitarists that sing, bass running a DI and Drummer with mic'ed kick and snare/hihat. The electric guitars are non mic'ed but we run two acoustics through the system. Our sound works well for us in small to medium small (200 seat) venues but for anything larger than that we...
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F1 812 Power Supply Problem

Mateus Wendland ·
Good afternoon I am the owner of two F1 812 bose in about 1 year. One of the speakers on the first use was defective in its power supply after about 12 hours of use, and it stopped while playing PC music at a very low volume. I even opened the speaker and found a defective 22n60 right on the primary input circuit of the power supply, which burned the fuse. Changed the defective 22n60 the speaker went back to normal operation, having operated after that for several hours without any problem.
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Bose F1 812 vs QSC K12

DJ8X ·
This is just a quick comparison of the two speakers. I want to start out by saying that they are both loud. They both sound good. The QSC was able to get louder than the 812 before clipping, but not by much. Also, there was a different quality to the “loudness” from both speakers. For the sake of my testing, I ran the 812 in the C position. I did this because I am not fully sold on the Vertical coverage benefits of the flex array. I am a DJ who will most likely always play on the same level...
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F1 System Sound Problems and lack of Base

Djcgamble ·
Hay guys I'm having some serious problems with my F1 system, I have to 2 F1 812;s and 2 F1 Subs connects as follows, direct master output of Pioneer Dj mixer, Xlr into the Subs and then to the Tops, the 812's cannot go any more than 12 oc clock or ill get a steady orange limit light on the speaker and there is practically no pump from the base bins, even standing in front of them, was expecting a lot more for my money but left scratching my head, also having a smell come from the speakers...
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Has anyone had any luck repairing a blown 812 loudspeaker?

Gleb ·
After a few years of service, one of my speakers started to rattle. Has anyone had success getting it repaired?
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one F1 812 vs two S1 pro

gioanin ·
Hi everyone, I'm not a musician and I'm not into djing. Since the price is almost equal, I would like to recive comments about comparison between having one F1 model 812 or two S1 pro. Which choice would be better overall? Thanks.
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front grill repair F1 model 812

tony ·
in carrying the f1 812 peoples knees have pushed against the front grill of the f1 812's and caved them in how do I repair or replace, thanks, towards the top
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System for a 1300 Sq.Ft. Bar

phelix ·
Hi, I am opening a small whiskey bar with a small stage next month. (I have two renderings attached) in front. The concept is to have a stage that can host musician live event. The bar has a mezzanine level. I am thinking about getting 2 sets of F1 812/F1 subwoofer (L/R), is there anything else I will need to make the system work? thank you very much! I am wondering: 1. do I need more speaker(like a center one) near the stage? 2.any other devices i need to purchase? 3.do i need some...
 
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