Tagged With "II"

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Larger Venue Signal Chain Concern

Tom 8 ·
Hi. I just got my L1 Model II, B1 Bass and T8S last week and have been rehearsing with my acoustic-duo mate in my home studio. I'm excited to be free of my old live sound system, and I've been able to find answers to all the question I can think of except one. And I'm afraid this one might bite me if I don't get some expert advice. Q: What's the proper way to set up the trim on the power base, and how does this relate to the master volume setting on the T8S? I've successfully set the channel...
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L1 Model II as a Roland kit stage monitor?

psap ·
I have a L1 model II with a single B1 and the TonMatch that I have used for small group gigs a couple of times - all acoustic guitars and mics. I have been invited to gig with my Roland V-drums for the first time (totally intimidated now), here is the situation. The band has one mixer channel for me and only 2 floor monitors for all four of us. They do have two powered subwoofers and some nice powered mains. I am concerned that I will not be able to here myself in the back from the floor...
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10 Years of L1 System Use Still & Sounding Great!

jdbassentertainment.com ·
We have been using the L1 Systems for 10 years now! It has been an exciting journey... Here's two pictures that show our set-up progression! We started up with the Model I/ B1's and now we use Model II's with B2's and we couldn't be happier! Way to go Bose!!!
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Kemper Profiling Amp and the L1 Model II, (or L1 Compact or S1 Pro)

ST ·
I was telling a buddy about my great experience playing a Mesa Boogie Lonestar 30 1x12 combo amp over the weekend. He's a drummer but he knows that amp and really likes it. The fellow who owns it saw how much I liked it and offered to sell it to me at a great price. Why? Because both he are the amp are 65 (amp in pounds, he in years) and although he loves the sound, he hates moving it around. A few years ago I might have snapped up that amp in a heartbeat. But as I told my buddy the drummer,...
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How do I connect an LI Model I and an LI Model II, with a T4S mixer? And is it even possible, or a good idea?

DMC ·
I am a solo act, singer and guitarist, and am playing bigger stages now. Please tell me if purchasing an LI Model II is even a good idea, and if I can connect it to my Model I for a bigger sound for more people and bigger stages. And, in addition to buying the new Model II, do I need to purchase anything else, like cords or something? Please answer as best you can with PICTURES. That'd make it much easier to understand! Thanks!
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using L1 model II as FOH

Shawn 5 ·
Hi all I am trying to run 2 BOSE L1 systems as FOH for a 3 piece band. I connected the L1's to my presonus studiolive AR12 desk left and right main outputs to Bose system analog inputs on the power stands using XLR to mono jack leads but found that one system was louderthan the other.I had to turn up the trim control one the quieter one to about 3'oclock the the other had the trim control at about 12'oclock in order to get a similar amount of volume output from both systems. Am I usingthe...
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S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
I set up three systems: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II As I sang through the three systems, I identified which system I was singing through as one, two, or three. Which do you prefer: one, two, three - and why? Sample file 1 Sample file 2 The two sample files are the same three systems recorded the same way. In the second recording I sang longer passages through each system to give you another way to hear the differences. I'll tell you which system was one, which system was two, and which...
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L1 Model II with AX8 and Boss RC300 Best Preset.

Arnieus ·
I have used the Model II for years. I also own a Compact. T1 effects are good but after one too many Youtube videos I was sold on a Fractal AX8 modeler. Currently I plug into the AX8 then to a Boss Looper then to the T1. I am playing solo on a Taylor jumbo equipped with a Baggs M1 passive. I want to loop different parts with contrasting acoustic tones from the AX8. First question: I am not really sure which preset would be appropriate for FRFR modeling. Nothing in the manual really explains...
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Connect Bose Wireless Speakers to L1 Model II

Gordo ·
I wonder if I connect a T4S "Out (L/R)" to the wireless link "Aux In" then use the Sound Touch App to configure Bose speakers on the wireless WIFI link (not bluetooth) if this would enable remote wireless speaker capability from the L1 model SII. See below. Thanks - Gordon
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L1 II input jack becoming loose and intermitant

Bill Fedorko ·
I have (2) L1 II and the the input jacks are becoming loose, intermittent and noisey. The plastic nut on the 1/2 TRS isolating jacks are beginning strip. I am also concerned that the solder connections to the circuit boards below may be becoming suspect on both units. With at least one of the units when intermittent there is a bad 60Hz hum so I am thinking the shield connection may be opening up. Jiggling the input cable at the input jack will generally "fix" it temporarily. The input TRS...
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What does a flashing D118 indicate

JohnM ·
My L1 Model II was working before I turned it off an back on 3 minutes later. Now, there is no array or sub output. The power light is blue and D118 is flashing about 2 or 3 times per second. Can you tell me what that indicates?
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Using an external monitor with Bose L1 Model II

Ioni Creek ·
I am in a Bluegrass band using a Bose L1 Model II with B2 Base. Our Dobro player cannot hear his notes if he connects his Dobro into the system. I need to capture the audio from the Mixer before it gets mixed up with the crowd noise so I need everything going through the Tonematch Mixer. Do you know of anyone who has had this issue? Do you think I could use a stage monitor for him so he could hear? If so, do you have a product recommendation? Thanks,
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T1 to L1 Model 1S and L1 Model II

rustyr1 ·
I own an L1 Mod1s and T1 tone match and B2. I purchased an L1 Mod II and B2 bass. I'm trying to run both systems through the T1. Any ideas? Thanks Edit Subject: Previously "running two systems together" Bose Pro Community Admin
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Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

sri ·
Just received my new L1 model II and T8S. I have only one L1 model II connected to Right channel. T8S has both XLR and 1/4 in main outs but L1 has only 1/4 inch. i have few 1s 1) what is the best to connect T8S XLR to L1 1/4 or t8S 1/4 to L1 1/4. 2) in my case , stage where L1 will be kept and where mixer is kept are approxmately 60ft apart. what is the max cable length without any issues people run between T8s and L1. 3) is L1 with B2 sufficent to fill room of 90 x 70 ft ? 4) As I am using...
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

ST ·
Hi, Sri, Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community. Congratulations! Here's an article for you. T8S to One L1 Model II Please click the picture above for details. Either cable is fine. Do you have a picture of the room? Why is the T8S so far away from the L1 Model II? How far away are the singers from the L1 Model II? With a balanced cable, you can use cable runs well over 100 feet. Balanced cables XLR to 1/4" (6.3) Tip-Ring-Sleeve OR 1/4" (6.3)Tip-Ring-Sleeve to 1/4" (6.3) Tip-Ring-Sleeve...
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

sri ·
ST , thanks for all your responses. when i tried to play songs ..I noticed output is lagging ..i am wondering if this is because of using L1 M2 using with only one channel. Can I use Y cable from both L and R main out and send it to one L1 input ? is this supported ? any feedback on this setup would be helpful.
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

ST ·
Hi Sri, This would not be related to using only one channel. Please DO NOT use a Y-cable . Depending on how it is wired it will: Short the two outputs together, and that's not good, not supported, and does not convey any benefit. Send the left and right outputs as unbalanced stereo to the L1 Model II balanced input. This will cancel sounds that are panned center, and that's not supported, and does not convey any benefit. Please say more about "I noticed the output is lagging". What is the...
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

sri ·
Thanks ST for your response. Using 75 ft cabe between L1 to T8S. I understand from a friend of mine who successfully used Y cable for his setup and it works well. hence i posted. I will refrain from doing this. output is lagging issue - i see good output ...but gets noisy after 60% maser volume with gain at L1 of only 1/4 ( 9AM position ) ..
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

ST ·
Hi Sri, That's good. Please tell us more about this lagging issue. Are you standing 75 feet away from the L1, speaking/singing into a microphone and hearing a lag? If you play music into the system, do you hear a lag? On the L1 Model II Power Stand, set the Analog Input Trim at 10:00 o'clock. If you need more volume, turn up the volume on the T8S. It's okay to have the T8S Master volume well beyond 12:00. "noisy after 60% master volume" Please mute any channels you are not using. Does that...
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

sri ·
lagging issue I am referring to is ..when I play just music without any vocal(all channels are muted) ..master volume beyond 60-70% u can tell quality diminishes little and music is litle noisy ...audience can tell the diff ..unfortunately my hall is 5000 sq ft ..i have to keep master volume close to 75% to get good output for everyone in the back ..hence i was wondering if any to be tweaked to get good quality.
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

ST ·
Hi Sri, Thanks for telling us what you mean by "lagging". That's helpful. What is the source for the music? Are these mp3 files? Where did you get them? Thanks, ST
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

sri ·
Yes files are MP3 . Got them online from various sources.
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

ST ·
Hi Sri, You may be suffering from mp3 files with low bit rates. Here's some more information on the subject. What is a Good Bitrate Guideline for MP3 Files? How to Check the True Bitrate of Your Audio Files Any easy way to test if this the heart of the issue is to play some music tracks directly from a CD or DVD player or computer with a CD or DVD drive. ST PS - for others following along, if you want to share your thoughts about MP3 file quality, please see MP3 track quality - Bit Rates -...
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

sri ·
Team , After playing with L1 M2 with B2 and also T8S for two weeks. i decided to add one more L1M2 and B2 to get a true stereo system. Hope I made the right decision. If anyone feels this is not a good decision pls advise. with this setup , I would keep all my input channel PAN settings to neutral position correct ? *currently with single L1 connected to R ..All PAN settings are turned all the way to right.
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

ST ·
Hi Sri, In your room "90 x 70 ft", are you setting up the L1s on the 90 foot wall (in the middle) or the 70 foot wall? Or something different. If you put the two L1s greater than 20 feet apart, Keep the PAN settings in the middle. If you put the two L1s closer than 20 feet apart, Pan your stereo backing tracks LEFT - pan Left, RIGHT - pan Right Pan your vocal mics so each vocalist is heard through only one L1 ST
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

sri ·
stage is against 70 ft wall and stage size is 27 ft. Keeping my speakers at each end ( 27 ft apart). 1) In this setup I am good to keep all channels in the middle i am guessing (including stereo tracks played from PC thru 7/8 channels) , correct . 2) Question on T8S , During live performance , does people use reverb/delay for vocals ? if please provide some details .is reverb good ? what reverb setting good ..? what delay setting is good ? or use both reverb and delay? Edit: Please see: Use...
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Re: Best way to connect L1 Model II to T8S

ST ·
Hi, Sri. Yes, to keep things simple you can pan everything up the middle including the stereo tracks. If most of your audience is close to the center of the room instead of spread out toward the sides, try panning the stereo tracks LEFT and RIGHT and panning the vocals hard to the side closest to where they are performing on stage. You might find that more interesting. Let's treat this second question as a new topic. Please see: Use reverb/delay for vocals? (Karaoke with T8S and two L1 Model...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Gideon ·
It seemed if anything the second sample to me seemed perhaps a little clearer.
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Hi Gideon, Thanks for listening. I re-wrote the explanatory text in my post above. The two samples are the same three systems recorded the same way. In the second recording I sang longer passages through each system to give you another way to hear the differences. I'll tell you which system was one, which system was two, and which system was three, in a few days after people have had a chance to listen and comment. ST
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Musicianthomas ·
These sample tests are interesting. I'm listening through very good Sennheiser HD 280 Pro headphones and in this test Sample one sounds more full, a bit more depth, yet strangely Sample one through my studio Tannoy monitors at both high and low volumes still favors sample one, but not as prominently as through the headphones. I think there are likely a lot of factors involved in comparing such as room listening vs cans listening if you really want to get down to fine detail and splitting...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Oldghm ·
This is interesting. Sample 2 works much better as far as hearing the differences. I think I am detecting differences in distance from mic as each sample is produced. Are you moving from mic to mic? 1 and 3 seem like there is more variation in what I think is proximity effect. Not so much an increase of lows but on a sample or two a thinner sound as if the vocal is from slightly farther away from the mic, or moving while enunciating. We don't know which position the S1 is in. Although the...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Hi Oldghm, It's challenging to come up with recordings to compare sound systems when the listener can not switch between the options at will. The duration of each sample has to be short enough that the listener doesn't become acclimated to the current sample. I'm holding two microphones (at 90 degrees to each other) in one hand, and the third microphone in the other. EQ is flat, and there are no effects. I put the S1 Pro in the tilt-back position on the floor. I tried it on a stand at ear...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

jdbassentertainment.com ·
My guess... 1 is the Compact, 2 is the Mod. II and the S1 Pro is # 3.
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

KingBiscuit ·
3 sounded the most full and strong. 2 sounded thinner with less bottom end. 1 was somewhere in between 2 and 3.
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Oldghm ·
Hi ST, I don't think my Pipes would make any difference, In fact the timber and texture of your voice is well suited to bring out the sensitivity of both mic and system. In this test I have listened repeatedly and I keep coming back to system 2 not having the presence I would expect of any of the three systems. Knowing now that the S1 was on the floor in tilt back, the way I use it most all the time, and knowing that just a little one way or the other when I am close to it can make a...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Hi Everybody, I hope you're enjoying this mini-comparison. In the previous recordings, I had the microphones at about six feet from the loudspeakers, and the volume was moderate - I'd say it was suitable for twenty-five people in a small coffee shop. This time I turned up the S1 Pro to just below clipping (red flickers) at the loudest parts of the singing. Then I set the other systems to match that volume. The volume would work for fifty people in a larger coffee shop. This time the...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Oldghm ·
Hmmmm. Filling the room changed the sound some, but I still hear the same differences as in the first examples. I like one the best, seems the most natural. Two seems a little muffled or lack of presence. Three seems to have a touch more 400 Hz to 600 Hz in the vocal. As far as which is which, I really don't know so I won't guess again. O..
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

KingBiscuit ·
Well, sample # 3 changed my ratings a bit. On this one, I'd pick # 1 with the best overall tone, # 2 was just slightly below it and # 3 would be my last pick. That said, they are all so close together it appears to be statistically insignificant. My wife, from the living room, said "They all sound identical". LOL I'm interested to find out which is which.
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Oh dear. I've been learning along the way. I hope each new recording is better than the previous ones - in terms of doing in doing fair comparisons. If I were to do this again, I might have to monitor through headphones. When I monitor live in the room, I have to fight the tendency to alter my technique to create a sound I want to hear. I imagine we all do this to some extent. Examples: If the sound feels too loud, we sing softer or back away from the mic If the sound feels to thin, we sing...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Hi Dan (KingBiscuit). I've listened to the recordings through several different playback systems. Through my computer speakers (built-in), laptop and iPad it's nearly impossible to tell the difference. That's probably similar to what your wife is hearing in a different room; more mids and highs, less bass. Through two S1 Pro systems via Bluetooth in stereo, I hear the differences more clearly. Through the L1 Model II hardwired through the T8S - mono, the differences are even more apparent.
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

KingBiscuit ·
I'll have to play it through my S1 via Bluetooth and see if it makes a difference. I'm listening through my desktop with decent speakers, but it's nowhere near the quality of an S1.
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Oldghm, Please see Performance Volume S1 Pro
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Does anybody want to give this a listen before I reveal which system is which? Sample file 3 One, two, and three are the same systems (in the same order) as in the previous recordings. Now, what do you hear? Which do you prefer? ST
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Here's what's what. What do you think of that? ST
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Simon Patrick ·
Interesting! My guess was L1C, S1 Pro, L1 M2. Was the S1 in titled back position during the test?
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

Oldghm ·
Well I guessed twice and only got one right each time, but at least I was consistent in the one I preferred, which was the S1. I'm most surprised about the Compact. The lack of presence is something I don't think I have ever heard in my personal use. The Compact is usually bright and clear. That one hung me up. I should have taken a hint from myself when I commented about Sample 3. My saved scenes for the Model II all have Para EQ vocal cuts either in the 550 Hz or 1100 Hz range. Depending...
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

KingBiscuit ·
That's GREAT! I took ST's advice and played the third clip through the S1 Pro via BlueTooth. My picks remained unchanged. I guess I just like the sound of the S1!
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Re: S1 Pro, L1 Compact, L1 Model II

ST ·
Hi Simon Patrick, Thanks for listening. It was on the floor in the tilt-back position. ST
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Re: Using an external monitor with Bose L1 Model II

ST ·
Hi, Ioni Creek. Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. Welcome. Thank you for the interesting question. As you probably know, performing in front of the L1 reduces the need for extra monitors. Sometimes it's not possible to stand in a position where you can hear yourself. Sometimes there are so many voices and instruments coming through the L1 that it's difficult to pick out just one for monitoring. Bose introduced the Bose S1 Pro last year. It is a multi-function device and...
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Re: How do I connect an LI Model I and an LI Model II, with a T4S mixer? And is it even possible, or a good idea?

ST ·
Hi DMC, The L1 Model II performs like the L1 Model I except mid-high frequencies are more evenly distributed at the extreme left and right. Using the L1 Model I and L1 Model II on the same stage is not much louder than the L1 Model I alone. However, you can increase your horizontal coverage by the distance between the two L1 systems. For example, if you put the L1 systems 20 feet apart then you will increase the horizontal dispersion by 20 feet. For more coverage, you can put the L1 systems...
 
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