Tagged With "B1"

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L1 classic half work

Fin ·
Hi to you all, I am Fabrizio from Italy. I have a couple of used (not by me) L1's classic with 4x B1. One is perfect, the other nope. I run them always with a line input in the input 3 (at volume 3) and already tried the input 4. The broken system sound awful, No eq and NO x-over. I have full range in the sub output, Removed the radiator and checked the 3 amps individually. All works correctly if driven from their inputs. If I use one of the classic line inputs (3 and 4) in every amps out I...
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Adding External Equalizer

Prota-Zha ·
I have a Bose L1 Model 1 with 2 B1 Bass modules. While I do like the unit and it's power, I am not satisfied with the overall tone. Are there any suggestions regarding which EQ would work well with the L1 to effect the overall sound of 'whatever' is going through it? The Bose EQ is way above my budget of $80 to $150. Also, would I use the insert for this application? Thank you... T
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Solo artist - Using Backing Tracks and Live Guitar. Trying to decide on Bose L1S or M2 with B1 or B2

Stang ·
My Setup: Bose L1 Compact, Stratocaster into Boss GT100, Professional Grade Backing Tracks on iPad With OneTrack. For the acoustic part of my show I’m using a Breedlove C350cme direct into the T1. Vocal Mic= SM58 I perform everything from Sinatra to 311 to SRV. I have been using this setup for 7 years and have been very happy with my sound except on outdoor gigs or larger venues. Trying to project in an outdoor venue can be difficult with the Compact. It is also difficult to overcome crowd...
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2 B1s in place of B2

Fretgames ·
Hello fellow Bose enthusiast. I have a L1 M2 and I was thinking of retiring my B2 with much regret, as I love the sound. I can't deal with the weight and size with my shoulders. I'm a solo guitarist and vocalist. I play acoustic and electric. I use a Trio to make my backing tracks. The bass, drums and various keyboards, sound awesome through my current configuration. I don't D J though I have used it a number of times in theaters and outdoors events. I'm worried that the system will loose...
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Speaker recommendation

Joseph Ford ·
Hey bose family, wanted your suggestion on what system to get. We're a church in a 100ft x 50ft building with a raised stage(25ft-35ft) along the middle of the long side. We're currently using 2 Model L1 compacts as the main speakers . Sitting at either edge of the stage in front of the musicians, singers, and preacher. While these sound clear they lack in base and there at the limiter often. So were thinking of upgrading and using the compacts as monitors for them. What do you suggest?
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Using looper multi-instrumentalist

Bill Coward ·
I want to play loops through my Pigtronix Infinity and Bose L1/1S/B1 system. Right now I'm sending two keyboards, a vocal mic, a "guitar" (actually a Banjola going into a Trace Acoustic) and a Beat Buddy into a TouchMix 8, using the stereo outs to go into two Bose towers. I put the Infinity looper between the TouchMix and the towers. I'm getting lots of hum/hiss. But I'm looking forward to a lot of fun with this. Just set up the system today. I'll be experimenting with it a lot tomorrow.
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Is L1 model 1S with two B1 enough for the venue ?

Jay 4 ·
Hello, This is the first time we are holding a big public music event and planning to use a L1 model 1S. So far used for small gatherings 70 people in about 1000 sq feet hall and system worked very well. The venue is a High-school gym about 6000 sq feet. Audience expected about 400. The music is folk dance music with at least 70% people dancing anytime. I purchased additional B1 to raise the loudness. But not sure if this system is enough for this event. Thanks for any inputs.
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Re: L1 classic half work

ST ·
Hi Fabrizio, Welcome to the Bose Portable PA Community. It sounds like the broken L1 CLassic is stuck in diagnostic mode. This is usually triggered by applying a resistor across the B1 Bass Module Output pins 2+/2- with a value of less than 5 K ohms. This could happen if you connect more than two B1s to one power stand. Try connecting a single B1 to the L1 Classic that is working. Then try the same cable and B1 with the L1 Classic that is not working. Do you get the same result (not working)? ST
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Re: L1 classic half work

Fin ·
Thanks for the tip, I'll try today and will report the result
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Re: L1 classic half work

Fin ·
Just make the test. Nothin' changed. I first try with the good one, playing audio from PC without sub, then while playing I plugged one B1, audio stop then restart in a second with correct DSP settings and EQ. Well, tried the bad one. Start playing w/out sub than I plugged the same sub and cable I used before, no audio stop, it's still in diagnostic mode, awful sound and full range from all 3 amps. Aside question, where is the resistor in the cable? I checked my Bose original cables but no...
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Re: L1 classic half work

ST ·
Hi Fabrizio, The only other suggestion is to disconnect everything including the AC power from the broken PS1. Leave it sit like that for at least 15 minutes to let the unit reset. then reconnect things and try again. There is no resistor in the cable. It is in the B1 bass module. ST
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Re: L1 classic half work

Fin ·
Thanks for the suggestion. But it was unplugged for hours before the test so I think that the problem could be in the power supply of DSP. Do you think that reload the firmware could be an option?
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Re: L1 classic half work

ST ·
Hi Fabrizio, I'm sorry you haven't been able to get the second power stand working. I don't know if it will work. Here is a link to the instructions and the file you need to reload the firmware if you want to try it. Classic: Presets 2.0 download ST
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Re: L1 classic half work

Fin ·
In this w.e. I will try updating the firmware. In the meantime I purchased another classic to replace. Hope to resume it. I will update this post with the results. Thank you.
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Re: L1 classic half work

ST ·
Hi Fabrizio, Please let us know how it goes with the firmware update. Thanks, ST
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Re: L1 classic half work

Fin ·
Hi there, the firmware 1.84 and 2.0 presets was updated correctly. The issue is still there. Stuck in diagnostic mode, ****. I try the input 1 and 2. If I change the presets the system correctly stop the audio for a second (to load the preset) then come back and the sound changes as well. So the software is running, the electronic seems to be ok except the amp section, stuck in diagnostic mode. Something happens there, imho. 3 amps with no eq or DSP. Did someone has the same issue in the...
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Re: Gig setup question

Seagullman ·
Hi scottcald, If you're asking for advice here then this is what I would do. I wouldn't try to run stereo. I'd run both L1's as mono systems. I would pan your vocals and guitar to 1 L1 with B1 (hard pan 100% to one side). I would pan lead vocal and bass to the second L1 with B2(hard pan 100% to the other side). This gives you more headroom regarding the vocals and less chance of feedback because each vocal is only coming out of 1 loudspeaker. And one more thing, try to angle the microphones...
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Thanks for the quick reply, Tony. It is helpful. What about the vocalist's guitar (only on a few songs)? Also, what's a minimum for us to be in front of it without essentially choking the sound from spreading out like it should?
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Re: Gig setup question

ST ·
Hi Scott, Thanks for the picture. Agreeing with Tony, I wouldn't pan the inputs across the L1®s. If these were conventional PA speakers you might, but you shouldn't need to with the L1®s. The wide horizontal dispersion and relatively low drop-off in volume over distance overcome the need to have the same sound coming from more than one loudspeaker. If you are not right in front of an L1® (say, within a foot), the sound will diffract around your body . For a room with 150 people, I'd like to...
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
ST, thanks for your answers. Would you place the other guitar in the same L1 as the bass in this setup? Our lead vocalist will play on a few tunes.
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Re: Gig setup question

ST ·
Hi Scott, Yes, I would put the other guitar in the same L1® as the bass. ST
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Thanks, ST and Tony. Very much appreciated.
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Re: Gig setup question

Seagullman ·
Hi Scott, I would agree with everything that ST's said/suggested. As you're using a third party mixer "a Mackie DL1608", and only having to pan your signals to one side or the other (without having to plug into different mixers as you would if using T1's), you can very quickly change the positioning of your vocals/instruments from one L1 to the other should it fit your requirements/preferences better. I would, however keep to the idea that each vocal/instrument should only come from one L1.
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Re: Gig setup question

Seagullman ·
Hi Scott, this is just something I'd meant to include in my last post regarding the use of more than one Sub. I'm going to give you a link to a Wiki article on the B1. Keep the B1's together . The same also applies to the B2 and any other Subs you may care to mention. http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/inde...eep_the_B1s_Together I hope this was of interest and maybe of some help (if not now, then maybe in the future). Tony
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Thanks again, Tony. Wow, I don't think I'd seen that scouting doc on the old forum before. Great and comprehensive, thanks! Yes, I'd like to be able to get there beforehand, but I'm relying on the vocalist's info. He set up the gig. My pedal has a looper function, so I'm going to try to record a verse of a song or just a repeating riff and have the other guys play while I meander and listen. The recorder is a good idea though. No plan to mic the kick, mainly because I think the drums will...
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Re: Gig setup question

Seagullman ·
Hi Scott, "This will be the first gig I'll try to have the bass player only going through the L1. He typically goes through his bass amp and I think it's been the source of some muddiness in the sound at past gigs. And I don't have control of it then either. " Depending on which Bass guitar he plays you may find a dedicated preset for it. Our bassman plays a Fender Jazz bass and he finds the preset for that really good. I also think that with a B2 there should be no need to have a Bass amp...
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Here's a report on last Sunday's rehearsal. I brought all the gear with me (L1 II/B2, L1 II/B1, Mackie DL1608, cables etc.) to test this out. It worked out really well just as you guys suggested. I just did the hard panning in the 1608, dialed in sounds and it was great. The best part is I fit the B2, B1, 4 column pieces and 2 power stands, mic stand, guitar stand and music stand in the trunk of my 2008 Honda Civic. The other few items (guitar, mixer, container with cables) fit easily in the...
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Re: Gig setup question

ST ·
Hi Scott, Thanks for the report on last Sunday's rehearsal. If you turn up the L1® Trim controls, make sure that the trim light does not go red. If it does, turn down the Trim so you see only green and occasional yellow flickers. Good luck with the show next week. I'm looking forward to hearing how it went. ST
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Re: B1 Issue

NickA-at-Bose ·
Hi Steve, I don't know for sure what happened. It may have simply been a processing issue in the power stand, but it's hard for me to say. Have you tested it now and it's working fine?
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Back to report on the show. I think it went well as far as the L1s are concerned. Since I didn't see the space beforehand, it was an odd setup. I didn't get a clear photo, but below is a diagram of roughly how we were set up. We were in between entry doors and there was an odd partial wall sicking out for no apparent reason. This kept up from getting fully back against the wall. The drummer was able to get back a bit but then I had to angle the L1s a bit so he could hear them better. I could...
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Re: Gig setup question

ST ·
Hi Scott, Thanks for coming back to tell us about your show. And thanks for doing the diagram. I'm posting your diagram here for others to see while they are reading along. I run into those pony walls every now and then. They are often remnants of some plan manage people flow through a space. I often see them with an aquarium or plants on top of them. Is this how you were set up in front of the drums? I can understand why you might want to try a Compact as a monitor for the Drummer. This...
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Hi ST, That is basically how we were set up. If the odd wall was only a knee wall or something, it might've been OK, but it went all the way up, which is why my L1 was in front. The other L1 had to be up a bit to allow the drummer's egress to the set. I actually stood off to the side mostly because if I was in front, it would block the path for people to come in. Te bassist also moved from side to front as space allowed. The drummer I think learned that he needs to pare down his kit. He had...
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Re: Gig setup question

ST ·
Hi Scott, Pardon me while I gear-geek-out for a minute. I understand how someone can end up with too much gear for a gig, although I usually manage to down-scale by leaving stuff in the car when I realise that the space doesn't warrant using everything I brought. Speaking of down-scaling, that Boss GT-1 looks really interesting. I had a Boss GT-100 and enjoyed the tones and the user interface. I was still using my Roland VG-99 . For what I was doing at the time, it didn't make sense to have...
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
No problem, ST. I enjoy the geek out! I had a GT-10, then I upgraded to the GT-100. The thing I love about the GT-100 is the dual paths you can set up for separate amps, AND split and put a slight delay (5-10ms) so they're nice and wide in stereo. That's nice for if you're a lone guitar player. I'm not a huge fan of chorus on an overdriven amp. I also loved that they give you the ability to move any effect anywhere. Line6 and Digitech don't do that. You have to stick with "conventional"...
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Re: Gig setup question

Seagullman ·
Hi Scott, thanks too from me for the gig report. It does sound as if it went well regarding sound. I too am not super happy if I have to set up where people are going to be moving around where I'm playing or where my gear is. Sometimes it's unavoidable, though. It seems however that you managed to get around the problem pretty well. It gives us the chance to appreciate places where we have a stage are are not having to dance around more than the audience . The idea regarding the Compact as...
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Tony, thanks for the comments. As I said before, the Boss gets me tones I like. My one beef with the Boss units is no balanced outs. Seems like an unnecessary cost saver. Another bit of gear I've liked for its simplicity is the Tech21 Flyrig stuff. Nice amp simulation with reverb, plus a nice gain section and gain boost for leads. Also, the Delay section has a control called Drift which adds a chorusing type effect. And, it's light and small. The Kemper does look compelling, but my...
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Re: Gig setup question

ST ·
Oh yeah, and then there's that. ST
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Re: Gig setup question

Seagullman ·
I wasn't trying to tempt with the Kemper. I was just pointing out the dangers of geeking-out over gear and what happened to me. GAS has a way of raising its ugly head ... very very true ... Tony
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
The Fractal FX8 looks cool, but needs a built in expression pedal. Line6 just released the Helix LT with a few less I/O ports and a couple less features but a third less price. Might check that out. I prefer the all in one floor units rather than the rack mounted stuff. But, as far as the GAS, I can quit anytime I want to.
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
Got a photo from a friend of the show. You can see the cramped and odd area we had to squeeze into.
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Re: Gig setup question

ST ·
Hi Scott, Thanks for the photo. Yup - that's tight. I too have the Kemper Profiling Amp with the remote. And while that's great, I'm always on the lookout for something with a smaller footprint. That's especially appropriate when I'm going for a few basic amp models and not a lot of switching or the need for expression pedals (e.g. small jazz gigs). ST
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Re: Gig setup question

scottcald ·
ST, for those small jazz gigs, look at the Tech21 Flyrig pedals. All analog, the amp section sounds great and you can set the drive control to dial in a bit of dirt, very much like a Fender Twin. Also you could keep it clean and add the dirt in the distortion section. Also has Reverb, Delay with a chorus function, 1/4" in and out and power plug. It's about 10"x 2.5". Easily fits in a case or bag and it weighs next to nothing.
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Re: Wanting to know how to set up all my instruments & Equip w/ToneMatch

MattS-at-Bose ·
Hi Michael, Wow! What’s your goal? For live performance or for recording? Which instruments? It might best if you call L1 Support at 877-335-2673 for this question. The Analog Input on the power stand is available for general purpose line-level input (like a keyboard) in addition to the ToneMatch inputs. The Bass – Line Out is optional if you add a Bose PackLite amp with more subs. Honestly, this is unlikely. The ToneMatch hasn’t seen new preset development in a very long time. I recommend a...
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Re: B1 speakon NL4 max cable length

MLB ·
Bose, are you able to reply on this question please ?
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Re: B1 speakon NL4 max cable length

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Hello MLB, Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. I'm sorry that no one has replied to you sooner. There have been no changes to the specifications for the NL4 Speakon cable. With a good quality 4 conductor cable you, you should be fine up to 25 feet. Bose Pro Community Admin
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Re: B1 speakon NL4 max cable length

MLB ·
I'm guessing here; If I normally run two B1 units, then the 25 feet of NL4 Speakon must take into consideration the total length of cable from the power stand to the first B1 unit AND the additional cable length that runs out of the first B1 into to the second B1 unit ? In other words, the total length of the two NL4 Speakon cables must not exceed 25 feet in total length (combined) ? Thank you very much for your support.
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Re: B1 speakon NL4 max cable length

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Hello, MLB. You may be able to get away with running a longer cable (>25 feet total length), but that would be unusual. Typically, if you have two B1s you would stack them or place them side by side. Placed together like that you can get up to +3 dBA SPL more than if you have them separated. Ordinarily, you place the B1s close to the L1®. You might place them at a distance to get the B1s off a hollow stage, or out of a corner. Bose Pro Community Admin
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Re: L1 mod 2 bass b1

ST ·
Hi Alessandro, Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. I am sorry I cannot reply Italian. To get good sound from your T1® and microphone you need to start with setting the Gain properly and then picking the right Preset. The video below helps you to do that. Then you can work with the zEQ. You probably don't need ParaEQ. Another place to check is the reverb Bright setting. You can try turning that down. The T1® was designed to work best when you are using close microphone...
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Re: L1 mod 2 bass b1

Alessandro ·
Ciao, the sound is so bright e brillant, i dont like... i like hot voice but is too difficolt to set... problably ill sell it...
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Re: Si Pro out directly into Analog input of a L1 model 1S with B1 Bass

Ric ·
Use an EQ pedal such as the Boss GE7 or the Behringer EQ700.
 
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