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vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

t ·
I have an L1 classic and am running the bass out through a Carvin powered 15" two way. I do that so that I can use the Carvin as my backup PA if the Bose has problems. I am running mics and acoustic instruments through a Behringer X Air 16, and sending that through channel 3 on the L1. I am getting complaints that people can't understand us when we are talking between songs. The talking is clear to us and those within 15 feet, but muddy beyond that. I've got the high pass filter set at...
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

ST ·
Hello t, Thank you for joining the Forum. Let me check in with you on this: Are the spoken vocals clear when you do NOT use the Carvin powered 15" two way? Are you running a line from the L1 Classic BASS LINE OUT to the Carvin? Please note: The L1® Classic BASS LINE OUT has frequency response is 40-180 Hz and it has EQ shaping that is optimized for the B1. This is not optimal for spoken word. Some ideas: Run a separate full-range line out from the Behringer mixer to the Carvin? That is - do...
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

ST ·
Hi t, Thanks for the added information. Please try your L1 Classic without the Carvin . Please tell us what you hear, and what you hope to improve by adding the Carvin. The L1® is basically an integrated system meant to work with B1 modules, a T1® or other mixer. Adding other speakers to an L1® isn't supported and rarely improves things. The exception would be to use a remote speaker in an area that is not covered by the L1®. ST
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

t ·
ST - Thank you for the thoughts and the welcome! To answer your questions: 1. I haven't tested without the Carvin yet, will do that when I get back to my rehearsal space. It is Carvin model PM15-A, with specs as follows: - System Type: Internal Active System, 15-inch 2-Way, bass-reflex - Frequency Response: 44 Hz - 18 kHz (-10DB) - Crossover Frequency: 2.5 k Hz - Coverage Pattern: 90H x 30upV x 45downV - Internal Amplifier full range: 400 Watts - Maximum SPL: 122dB / 128dB peak - LF Driver:...
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

DrumrPete ·
Hi t, Not to worry, we ALL have tried to incorporate pre-L1 products into our setups, only to find them unnecessary or downright damaging to the sound. If you really want to keep the Carvin around, there are a couple things you could do to tame it a bit. 1) Try a lower crossover frequency to keep sub bass out of the mids. Some sound men go as high as 250hz, but try keeping it around 50hz. 2) Pick up an Auralex Gramma Pad (for the Carvin) or a Baby Gramma for your B1(s). It goes a long way...
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

t ·
I swapped out the Carvin with the B1, and both problems went away. Thank you for the quick helpful responses! I was using the Carvin in place of the B1 so that I had redundancy in case anything went wrong with any of the Bose components, jacks, cables, etc. The Carvin has a broad range of inputs and outputs, and standard jacks so that I have peace of mind in case something fails. I guess I will need to bring both the B1 and the Carvin to gigs, and leave the Carvin in the car unless something...
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

ST ·
Hi t, Thanks for coming back to tell us how this all worked out. That's great news. I'd use the B1 as designed and leave the Carvin in the car. You're smart to be thinking about a backup plan. I carry an L1® Compact in my trunk as my backup. I haven't had to use it because my L1® has failed, but it has saved or improved many gigs when others needed an assist. I'm glad you joined us. Please tell us about your music. ST
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

t ·
ST and DrumrPete- you guys are the best! I had forgotten how good the setup sounded with the B1, so I guess the car will be a bit fuller on gigs in the future. We are a two piece, with my band mate doing rhythm acoustic, and I play acoustic lead, bass, mandolin, and harmonica. We both sing, and feature harmonies. We do some percussion as well and will be mic'ing a cajon in the future. Running all of that through the XAir16 and the L1 has been a nice upgrade from the way of doing things. You...
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Re: vocals muddy beyond 15 ft

DrumrPete ·
Nice songlist on the website. Babylon sounds great! I sing a country/bluegrass version of I've Just Seen A Face as well. Fun song. I got the idea from an album called Bluegrass Goes To Town. Various artists doing bluegrass covers of pop songs. On that album, they did What Goes On (in your heart). We actually did that one too, for awhile, but it didn't go over that well.
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Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Erine ·
I've had the L1M2 for about 5 years. Never a problem with vocals sounding rich and full. I'm usually busy most weekends. Recently I've noticed the vocals coming through the tower are echoey...like in a tunnel. I experienced a loud piercing noise at a gig, and afterwards, I noticed my bass was not coming through. I sent off for another power stand and the bass comes through fine, but, the towers just don't sound the same. I've tried everything, a new mic, making new settings with the T1.
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

ST ·
Hi Erine, I'm sorry that you are having this problem with your vocals sounding echoey. I think the first thing to do is to bypass effects on the vocal channel. Do things improve if you press the T1® FX Mute button on the channel you are using for the microphone? Have you tried connecting a wired microphone to the T1®? If you are using the ToneMatch cable that came with the T1® to connect the T1® to the Model II Power Stand the signal/clip light will not light up. It is only active if you use...
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Erine ·
Thanks, Tony! I am still hacking away at this. Yes, the vocals and just speaking in the mic sounds more flat. Again, the tracks sound fine, it's just the vocal channel. I did pick up a mixer to see how that works. I was told that the wireless system may be the cause, however, I also used a corded mic and it still sounds the same. I could not tell any difference when using the FX. I will test the corded Shure Beta58 (if it's good for Aretha, should be good for me..ha!) Bose agreed I should...
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Seagullman ·
Hi Erine, Welcome to the forum. ST's given you really good advice here. I won't repeat any of his advice, but I will make a couple of suggestions myself should ST's suggestions not help. Have you tried playing back any songs/CD's through the system via T1? I'm asking this because if the vocals from recorded music come through OK you can probably rule out the Loudspeakers being faulty and start to localize the cause of your problem. Have you tried connecting your microphone to a 3rd Party...
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Erine ·
Thanks very much. I appreciate all of your comments. I took your suggestion and used my wired AKG mike and it sounded a little better, but remains flat. I will head out to get a 3rd party mixer and try connecting it to the Power Stand. I am a solo vocalist and I use tracks connected to my Ipad. The sound from the speakers are great. I use either channel 1 or 2 for my mikes. For the Tonematch indicator for channel 4/5 I use DJ/Playback High Volume Music, and for channel 1 and 2 I use Vocal...
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Seagullman ·
Hi Erine, I can't edit my last post (you only have 30 minutes after posting to do so and I was "derailed" at home), so just to make things clear, I would have made an insert as shown below: "Have you tried connecting your microphone to a 3rd Party Mixer and connecting the mixer to the Power Stand via the analog input?" As I said, it's just to make sure you understood what I meant. Tony
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Seagullman ·
Hi Erine, you wrote: "I am a solo vocalist and I use tracks connected to my iPad" and also: "For the Tonematch indicator for channel 4/5 I use DJ/Playback High Volume Music" If you're running tracks through 4/5 just try playing a normal song with vocals etc. If that sounds OK your L1 should be OK. The heading for this thread is "Vocals sound hollow after power surge", but now you say the vocals "remain flat". For me, hollow would mean that there seem to be no mid frequencies. "Flat" for me...
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Seagullman ·
Hi Erine, I've just reread your first post again. Sometimes you can read something loads of times and it doesn't sink in. You wrote: "Recently I've noticed the vocals coming through the tower are echoey...like in a tunnel." Now that does sound similar what I wrote above: "Too much reverb for example can make a vocal sound muddy and in the background." The same goes for delay. Check the settings on both Delay and Reverb. Maybe you've inadvertently turned up the MIX on one of them. With reverb...
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Seagullman ·
Just one more thing, Erine Do you have any kind of audio recorder? They can be really helpful when setting up. I've often used one. I record the sound I get out of the PA in the room (through the microphone of the recorder) and listen to it either through headphones or the system. That way I can here what my voice sounds like without having the sound of my voice in my head at the same time (when you sing/talk you always hear you voice through the bones/anatomy of your head). It's also good...
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Erine ·
Thanks again, Tony. I do have a recorder...great idea. I will try that. The good thing about this ordeal that I'm going through is that it is forcing me to become "more acquainted" with my system. A little knowledge never goes out of style!
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Re: Vocals sound hollow after power surge

Seagullman ·
Hi Erine, "I do have a recorder...great idea. I will try that" This is something I've been doing for years, And listening to the recordings through Headphones or even better back through the L1 gives me a really good idea of how my set-up sounds through the system. "The good thing about this ordeal that I'm going through is that it is forcing me to become "more acquainted" with my system. A little knowledge never goes out of style!" Knowing more about your system can certainly stand you in...
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Shure KSM9 anyone?

jdbassentertainment.com ·
Hi everyone, does anyone have any experience with this mic. I currently own the Shure Beta 87a, Beta 58a, 55 Deluxe, EV N/D 767a and Heil PR20 mics... I am looking to possibly add a premium vocal mic. I am thinking about adding one of these to my tool box (if it's worth it). Would I gain anything compared to the vocal mics I have so far? How is it on a loud stage? - If I get one I am thinking about getting the HS version... Hyper/Sub - Cardioid Any input on the Shure KSM9 would be greatly...
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Re: Advice on system requirements

ST ·
Hi Terry, Thank you for joining the community. I'm glad that you're here. A good friend does very similar shows although he doesn't produce his own tracks. Two considerations here: For quiet, attentive audiences an L1® Model 1S would be fine but for a party setting with 300 people an L1® Model II would be better. If you are performing on an elevated stage for a seated audience, an L1® Model II will be better. For your larger audiences, the B2 is a better choice than two B1s. Personally, when...
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Advice on system requirements

Terry Smith ·
Hello everyone, I am hoping that some of you can advise me... I am looking to purchase an l1 system but am unsure of the best set up for me. I am a solo artist that predominantly gets hired out as a Michael buble tribute act but also sings various other types of music too. I record my own backing tracks and then I either just sing vocals over the top, or play acoustic guitar or keyboard along with my vocal. As I say, I do sing other types of music but mainly rat pack/swing type stuff. My...
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Re: Advice on system requirements

Terry Smith ·
Hi ST, Thank you for replying. From what you are saying, I would imagine that although the l1s should cover most things I will be doing, I think I will go with the model 2 just so I know I'm covered for all eventualities. With regards to the bass sub, most of the tracks I use will not need a huge thump at the bottom end but there are a few tracks that need that punch, for example (cry me a river - Michael buble) again I would rather go for the b2 so I know I am covered but I just worry that...
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Re: Advice on system requirements

ST ·
Hi Terry, We're on the same track. Yes, that would help. You can save your EQ settings in a T1® Scene. A Scene is a snapshot of all the settings on the T1®. You can have up to 5 user Scenes. It might be just as easy to route the backing tracks into T1® Channel 4/5. Then leave the screen on zEQ (your basic tone controls for Low | Mid High. When you need more or less bass, you can control that with the zEQ with a flick of the dial. I've never known him to use two L1®s to run his backing tracks...
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Re: Advice on system requirements

Terry Smith ·
Thank you very much, that's pretty much confirmed my initial thoughts..... 1 x l1 model 2, b2 sub and tone match it is ��
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Re: Advice on system requirements

ST ·
Hi Terry, Please come back and tell us about your first experiences with your new L1®. In the meantime, we have some ♩ ♪ ♫ ♬ ♭ ♮ ♯ for you. L1® Model II T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine ST
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T1 settings

Bob 6 ·
Hi Can anyone suggest which T1 settings to use for vocals, acoustic guitar and stomp box/porch board please? I have 2x L1 compacts and a model 2 with B2. 90% of the gigs I do are with 1x L1c and tonematch. L1c on a chair with one extension. I sit on a chair to sing and play acoustic guitar while tapping a homemade "electric floor tile" with my foot. Shure Sm86, Gibson j200 and j45, piezo on a floor tile. My T1 was repaired recently and has come back with factory settings. It took a long time...
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi again Bob, "Shure Sm86, Gibson j200 and j45, piezo on a floor tile. " Microphone For the Shure SM86 try these Presets with the zEQ and ParaEQ bypassed. Category: Vocal Mics Preset: Handheld Mics Category: Vocal Mics Preset: Shure SM58 Category: Vocal Mics Preset: Shure Beta 87 Find the Preset that sounds best to you and then tweak the sound with zEQ. I doubt you will need to do anything with the ParaEQ. Guitars For the Guitars, it sounds like your going to be happiest with one of these.
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi Bob, Thank you for joining the Bose Pro Portable Community. It's going to take some writing to address your questions so please check out this article. ToneMatch This explains what the ToneMatch Presets do. Here are a couple of essential videos. I'll be back soon with more. ST
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Re: T1 settings

Bob 6 ·
Thanks for reply. The stuff on the videos is familiar, I can do all that ok. The tip about bypassing the presets is something I hadn't used before and is a useful feature. I've preferred everything flat so far but using the bypass feature I can more easily compare. I was asking about reverb and delay settings for vocals. The stomp I made myself and it works well with any amp or pa with treble and mid cut and bass boosted. It does sound more like a click than a thump when eq is flat. I...
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi Bob, For the stomp box Attenuate means to reduce, so we're carving away the sounds we don't want. I would start here: The Level is - 10.0 (minus ten). We're removing sound - turning down the tapiness. Freq is 150. The simulator I have won't do exactly 150 Hz (that's why it says 151). There's nothing exact about this. So you can move this value up and down. Width is 2.00 oct The simulator I have won't do exactly 2.00 oct (that's why it says 199). This means we're reducing the sound in the...
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Re: T1 settings

Bob 6 ·
Hi ok, first I apologise for not knowing the meaning of the word "attenuate". I thought it meant to adjust precisely but it apparently means to reduce. I have spent some time trying different settings at home and got a sound that's ok but I find that what sounds good in one room does not sound good in another. Thank you for trying to help. I need to spend a lot more time on it before I can think of anything more to ask. One thing that makes me question everything I thought I'd learned about...
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Re: T1 settings

ST ·
Hi Bob, Good to see you again. If you're up for an experiment, take your L1® Model II, T1®, B2 and a long microphone cable, a microphone, guitar, stompbox into a gig sized room. On your vocal microphone channel use the FX Mute button to turn off the effects. Sing and set the L1® at least as loud as you perform. Take a walk around in the room as you sing. Listen for the natural reverb. If you have a way to record the sound (even a phone will do), record as you play and sing with and without...
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Tone Match Settings for Vocals at Live Gigs

agarza27 ·
Does anyone have any recommended settings (ZEq, Delay, Reverb, etc.) for a 75 room capacity bar playing live blues gigs? I get a tinny sound on my L1 Compact and can't get my Tone Match to compensate. Using a Shure 58 mic. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!
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Re: Tone Match Settings for Vocals at Live Gigs

Seagullman ·
Hi agarza27, welcome to the forum. I regularly use a T1 + Compact with a Shure Beta 58A (I've also used an SM 58). I never have any problems with it sounding tinny. I take it that you mean a Shure SM58? Have you chosen the preset for that microphone? If so let me explain something about the microphone presets in the T1. The presets are EQ-settings which have been created for close-miking technique. This means that the microphone is very close to the lips (maybe even brushing the mesh with...
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Re: T1/T4S Tonematch or TC Helicon Mic Mechanic 2 ?

Don ·
Robin, Not exactly what you are after, but... I am having great luck combining the Boss VE-8 and the Bose S1 Pro. The VE-8 gives me two channels, one for guitar and the other for a mic, both with terrific processing and effects. It also has a looper for the guitar and the mic, if you use those. The VE-8 runs on six AA batteries. I use rechargeable batteries, and I swap them out at 5 or 6 hours. I run from the headphone out of the VE-8 into the aux in on the S1 Pro using a sturdy cable that I...
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T1/T4S Tonematch or TC Helicon Mic Mechanic 2 ?

Rockin'Robin ·
Hi guys, I am asking recommendation on these 2 units from people who tried them. I am a singer/guitarist, own a S1 Pro and use it for live gigs and for busking outside. I am looking at the best option that could fit both venues. For Busking, I could go away with the S1 Pro alone if it weren't for its ugly reverb. Especially on the vocals you need some reverb to sound good in open spaces. Thus I've been looking at the Mic Mechanic 2 from TC Helicon, which seemingly has a nice reverb plus...
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

ST ·
Hi Steve, Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. Welcome. You can use the S1 Pro as a monitor. Connect the T1® Master output to S1 Pro Channel 1 The signal from the T1 Master is a clone of the sound sent to the L1® Model 1S. You can control the volume of the S1 Pro using the S1 Pro Channel 1 volume control. Use a 1/4 inch (6mm)Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable for best results 1/4 Tip-Ring-Sleeve Mixer to 1/4 Tip-Ring-Sleeve L1® The T1® Master output is a ¼ inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve and...
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Chet 3 ·
If you can't find a 1/4" balanced TRS cable you could use a 1/4" TRS on one end (into Tonematch Master out) and XLR on the other end (into S1) of a balanced cable...sometimes these are easier to find...
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Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Steveconwaymusic ·
Can anyone give me any advice on using the L1 1s with T1 tone match and linking the Bose S1 pro ! Usually go as a jazz Quintet i.e. Vocals, Piano , Drums , double bass and Sax piano, double bass have there own amps and vocals go through L1 1s Problem I've had in the past is I've put the speaker at the back of the band so they can all hear vocals but then the vocals seem to get lost behind everyone I tend to try and sing louder with doesn't help the situation ! Just purchased a Bose s1 which...
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Steveconwaymusic ·
Thanks sounds great ! Will try out tomorrow for a wedding with band and let you know how it goes :-) was thinking of having the L1 up front with me to the left side then I can hear and so can the audience love the S1 by the way
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Chet 3 ·
I often play at a Farmer's Market that has an L1 1s. We place it to the right and slightly forward of the band and get PLENTY of sound for monitoring with minimal feedback. The major trick for us is to get the B2 bass unit as far away from the band as possible to eliminate low freq feedback. Good luck.
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Steveconwaymusic ·
Thanks for the feedback ! Very useful thank you
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

Limbo ·
Many thanks to all for the valuable responses..... just wondering if you had any thoughts about using the Tonematch for the Tyros/Vocals/etc inputs?
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

troubador ·
Keep in mind that the B2 is quite heavy ... I rented one just to see how it would work. It does sound better - no question there. I (and this is just me) found it too heavy to carry around. I use 2xB1 with my L1M2 and it works fine for me as a soloist. If size/weight is an issue, you may want to do a test run with a B2 (rent one for a few days) and see how that works for you, before buying.
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

Bobby ·
For a room of 300 people, you'll need what we use, L1 model II. The B1 base modual is plenty, but the B2 is only $175 more. Easy set up, no need for monitors in most cases, sounds better than anything I've heard and is the go to unit for those that can afford it.
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Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

Limbo ·
I'm a newbie in the group - what a wealth of info in here!!! I'd like to get your input... I'm a one-man band using a Tyros 4 and vocals. Sometimes, a guitarist will join me. I play to audiences up to about300 people. I currently have a big Roland RC 550 k/b amp (great bass punch), with a separate Behringer passive amp driving 300W speakers for the vocals. That RC 550 gets heavier every night, and the Behringer combo is not exactly a great sound. So, I'm trying to decide which BOSE system to...
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

Daniel Blohm ·
Go for the B2. It doesn't matter if you use 4 B1, they still not gonna sound as full as the B2. Big difference in sound. With a Bose L1 model II and a B2, and a T1 or T4S, T8S, you're not gonna need so much eq. It gonna sound good from the start. But there are good EQ possibilities with the mixers. The new T4/T8 have even better/more eq options.
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Re: Major Vocal Feedback problem.

Rod ·
Hi troubador, You may be right, excessive gain could be the problem. I know that one of the differences between the original Mic Mechanic and the latest version (ie Mic Mechanic 2) is that there is now no mic gain control/setting so the gain is said to be automatically set by the singer's vocal/input thereby removing the need to manually set microphone levels. Good thing / not so good thing ? not sure! Maybe this is my overall problem, so I'm going to go right back to basics and remove the...
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