Tagged With "vocals"

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Incorporating a Boss VE-20 Vocal Effects Processor

Takefive ·
I will be using my recently purchased L1/S1 T4S for playing saxophone. I am contemplating incorporating a Boss VE-20 Vocal Effects Processor. I Looking for comments or suggestions from anyone that may have any experience with this setup especially with the T4S settings. Thank you.
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T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
I bought the T8s new tonematch in October last year and even after applying the latest update am totally disapointed in the REVERB quality against the original T1 Tonematch. The version that I have on the T8s is v1.1.4. I have compared the Reverb on both the original T1 and the T8s using Plate - Medium set at 30% and 50% using Neuman KMS105 microphone. The Reverb quality is still not the same as the original T1 even after applying the update V1.1.4. The vocals quality is also much smoother...
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Using 2 L1's

weeo ·
Hi, Had my L1 for a couple of years now and i'm very happy with it. I'm thinking on adding another L1 (for a bigger venue). but just 1 B2 . Would this work ? I'm a Guitarist/ vocals, set up is L1, B2 and T1. Thanks for any help
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maximilan, Let's start with the microphone with reverb question first. I did a recording with a Neumann KMS 105 the T1 and T8S. The recording is in stereo with the T1 on one side and the T8S on the other. Please listen to the recording and we'll talk about which is which later. I mixed the same recording down to mono for the third listening test below. Playback Mono - T1 to L1 Model II Use this file: T8S and T1 Reverb - Stereo Connect your computer to the T8S using USB from PC set to the...
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maximilian, I listened to the tracks above and thought you might find them too dry. So I did this again with the time settings T1 Time: 2.43 seconds T8 Time: 50% Please repeat the listening tests above. Which sound do you prefer; 1 or 2? ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
Hi ST, The second one is the best setting. How do I change it on the T8s? Thanks
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maxmilan, These are the settings on the T8S T8S Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 50% (this is 50% of 4.6 sec = approx 2.30s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65% ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
I have set the T8s based on your configuration above and sounds hollow and reverb not as good as the T1 still. Can you not get the same setting T1 Time 1.75 Bal 50 -- Mix 30 Bright 50? this would make life a lot easier. The mic sound is much smoother. I want to use the T8s instead of the T1. Thanks
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maxmilan, These are the settings on the T8S I used in the second recording. The ones you asked for. T8S - in the recording Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 50% (this is 50% of 4.6 sec = approx 2.30s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65% T8S - new settings to try Global Reverb Type: Plate Time: 38% (this is 38% of 4.6 sec = approx 1.75s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 65% <-- You can try turning this down to make things warmer Important Question Are you running the T8S...
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Maximilan, I started a new discussion about the Taylor T5 Preset. Please follow the link. T8S and T1 with Taylor T5 Preset Thanks, ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hey Everybody, Do you hear a difference between one and two in the recordings above? Do you have a preference? If you have a T4S or T8S and you are running two L1 Model II or L1 Model 1S systems - do you notice a difference playing these tracks through one or both L1 systems? ST
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

Steinberger ·
Hi ST, Perfect I used the following settings and very happy with the results. T8S - new settings to try Global Reverb Reverb - Medium Type: Plate Time: 38% (this is 38% of 4.6 sec = approx 1.75s) Bal: 50% Channel Reverb Mix: 30% Bright: 50% Thank you again for the prompt support and look forward now using teh Bose T8s. Happy Bose customer. Kind Regards Max
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Re: T8s Reverb issues - T8s Vocal quality

ST ·
Hi Max, Thanks for coming back to tell us this is working for you. ST
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Re: Using 2 L1's

Sławomir ·
będzie ok.
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Re: Using 2 L1's

Sławomir ·
mam 2 L1 model 2 ok sprawdza się
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Re: Using 2 L1's

ST ·
Hi weeo, Do you use backing tracks? What style of music are you playing? What are people doing while you are performing? (listening intently, partying boisterously) Please tell us about the places you play now, and the bigger venue you are considering. What is happening now that suggests you may need more gear? The answers to the questions above will help us to give you better information. Thanks, ST
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Re: Using 2 L1's

jimv ·
I bought the F-1 speaker and put a wireless transmitter on it to have sound on the rear of the room.
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Re: Using 2 L1's

weeo ·
Hi , Yes i use backing tracks through my ipad. Vocals and Electric Guitar. Play mostly 60'/70's from Beatles to Queen etc. People are dancing/ partying mostly. I normally play at venues 200- 250, but just picked up a gig slightly larger 300 approx. So i was thinking of getting another L1 and have them both sides of stage. But i was hoping to get away with just 1 B2 . Thanks Eddie
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Re: Using 2 L1's

weeo ·
Hi , Yes i use backing tracks through my ipad. Vocals and Electric Guitar. Play mostly 60'/70's from Beatles to Queen etc. People are dancing/ partying mostly. I normally play at venues 200- 250, but just picked up a gig slightly larger 300 approx. So i was thinking of getting another L1 and have them both sides of stage. But i was hoping to get away with just 1 B2 . Thanks Eddie
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Re: Using 2 L1's

ST ·
Hi Eddie, Thanks for the added information. Using a B2 instead of your B1 will give you more support in the low end (frequencies below 200 Hz). A B2 can sound as loud as four B1s . This will be most noticeable in the rhythm section (bass and drums) in your backing tracks. That might be all you need for your dancing/partying crowd. If you can rent a B2, try it at a large gig and see how it works for you. Two L1 systems will give you more sound through the whole sound spectrum. But I'd try a...
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Re: Using 2 L1's

weeo ·
Hi ST Thanks for your reply. Apologies for misinformation. It'sa B2 that i have .And i thought i could add another L1 . So my line up would be 2x L1 (one at either side ) and 1 x B2. Regards Eddie
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Re: Using 2 L1's

ST ·
Hi Eddie, I'm sorry - I misunderstood your question. Thanks for helping me to understand. The L1 Model II is an integrated system and requires at least one bass module (B1 or B2) to work correctly. That's why the L1 Model II system are always sold with a B1 or B2. If you want to reduce the weight, you can get second L1 Model II with a B1 instead of a B2. How wide is the stage in the 300-person venue? If you are running two L1 Model II systems, you like to have at least 20 feet between them. ST
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Re: Using 2 L1's

weeo ·
Hi ST, The stage is quite big that's one of the reasons i thought about another L1. I think i'll go along with your suggestions on using the smaller B1 for the other side. Thanks again for your invaluable help. Regards Eddie
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Re: Using 2 L1's

ST ·
Hi Eddie, If it's a big room, you might be happier with two B2s (despite the difference in weight). When you get your second system, see if you can make arrangements with the dealer to try a B1 with the option to get a B2 if you find it doesn't meet your needs. ST
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Re: Using 2 L1's

weeo ·
Hi ST, Yes i think i might try that. Just have to save up the money now, lol. Thanks for your help Eddie
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Re: Tone Match Settings for Vocals at Live Gigs

Seagullman ·
Hi agarza27, welcome to the forum. I regularly use a T1 + Compact with a Shure Beta 58A (I've also used an SM 58). I never have any problems with it sounding tinny. I take it that you mean a Shure SM58? Have you chosen the preset for that microphone? If so let me explain something about the microphone presets in the T1. The presets are EQ-settings which have been created for close-miking technique. This means that the microphone is very close to the lips (maybe even brushing the mesh with...
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

ST ·
Hi Steve, Thank you for joining the Bose Portable PA Community. Welcome. You can use the S1 Pro as a monitor. Connect the T1® Master output to S1 Pro Channel 1 The signal from the T1 Master is a clone of the sound sent to the L1® Model 1S. You can control the volume of the S1 Pro using the S1 Pro Channel 1 volume control. Use a 1/4 inch (6mm)Tip-Ring-Sleeve cable for best results 1/4 Tip-Ring-Sleeve Mixer to 1/4 Tip-Ring-Sleeve L1® The T1® Master output is a ¼ inch jack Tip-Ring-Sleeve and...
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Chet ·
If you can't find a 1/4" balanced TRS cable you could use a 1/4" TRS on one end (into Tonematch Master out) and XLR on the other end (into S1) of a balanced cable...sometimes these are easier to find...
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Steveconwaymusic ·
Thanks sounds great ! Will try out tomorrow for a wedding with band and let you know how it goes :-) was thinking of having the L1 up front with me to the left side then I can hear and so can the audience love the S1 by the way
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Chet ·
I often play at a Farmer's Market that has an L1 1s. We place it to the right and slightly forward of the band and get PLENTY of sound for monitoring with minimal feedback. The major trick for us is to get the B2 bass unit as far away from the band as possible to eliminate low freq feedback. Good luck.
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Re: Using my new s1 with my L1 1s with T1 tone match

Steveconwaymusic ·
Thanks for the feedback ! Very useful thank you
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

Daniel Blohm ·
Go for the B2. It doesn't matter if you use 4 B1, they still not gonna sound as full as the B2. Big difference in sound. With a Bose L1 model II and a B2, and a T1 or T4S, T8S, you're not gonna need so much eq. It gonna sound good from the start. But there are good EQ possibilities with the mixers. The new T4/T8 have even better/more eq options.
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

troubador ·
Keep in mind that the B2 is quite heavy ... I rented one just to see how it would work. It does sound better - no question there. I (and this is just me) found it too heavy to carry around. I use 2xB1 with my L1M2 and it works fine for me as a soloist. If size/weight is an issue, you may want to do a test run with a B2 (rent one for a few days) and see how that works for you, before buying.
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

Bobby 3 ·
For a room of 300 people, you'll need what we use, L1 model II. The B1 base modual is plenty, but the B2 is only $175 more. Easy set up, no need for monitors in most cases, sounds better than anything I've heard and is the go to unit for those that can afford it.
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Re: Best Combo for Tyros 4 + Vocals

Limbo ·
Many thanks to all for the valuable responses..... just wondering if you had any thoughts about using the Tonematch for the Tyros/Vocals/etc inputs?
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Re: Major Vocal Feedback problem.

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Hello, Rod. This sounds like a good question for the broader owner community (rather than Ask Bose for Help). There may be other suggestions outside what we can provide. May I have your permission to move this discussion to the public forum? It sounds like the TC-Helicon Tone feature in the Mic Mechanic is adding gain to the microphone between songs. It could be doing that because you sing louder than you speak when addressing the audience between songs. To test the idea, take the Mic...
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Re: Major Vocal Feedback problem.

Rod ·
Thanks for your reply and suggestions. I will remove the Mic Mechanic unit from the chain as you have advised and report back with the results. I think I will also contact TC Helicon, they may be able to offer some advise/suggestions to resolve my feedback problems. And yes you most certainly can move this discussion to the public forum. Kind regards, Rod.
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Re: Major Vocal Feedback problem.

FCBlues ·
If I had to jump to judgement I would blame the TC Helicon because it adds so many variables to the mix and I had a lot of surprizes when I used one. We have the same set up with same mics and acoustic guitars and can crank it up with it right behind us and no feedback ever. I would doubt it's from within the bose unless it's just broken. I'm sure you thought of this, but strip it down and rebuild it piece by piece with just the Microphone and a guitar with no effects. When it come time to...
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Re: Major Vocal Feedback problem.

troubador ·
@Rod My 2 cents worth -- I found my TCH Harmony GX-T was putting way too much gain on the line. I removed it from the chain and all was well. I use my L1M2 2B1 T1 combo and love what it puts out ... now using an S1 for busking and loving it.
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Re: Major Vocal Feedback problem.

Rod ·
Hi troubador, You may be right, excessive gain could be the problem. I know that one of the differences between the original Mic Mechanic and the latest version (ie Mic Mechanic 2) is that there is now no mic gain control/setting so the gain is said to be automatically set by the singer's vocal/input thereby removing the need to manually set microphone levels. Good thing / not so good thing ? not sure! Maybe this is my overall problem, so I'm going to go right back to basics and remove the...
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Re: Major Vocal Feedback problem.

Rod ·
Hi FCBlues, I've had a couple of helpful replies to my 'feedback' problems and they have been along the same lines as you are suggesting ie the TC Helicon is the cause in some way. So I am going to remove the Mic Mechanic 2 from the chain, (reset all my settings in the L1 mk 2 and reintroduce the Mic Mechanic 2) adjust/tweek settings as I go along. Thanks for your advise - I'll let you know how I get on. Don't mind if I have to get rid of the Mic Mechanic 2 if it rids me of my problem BUT...
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Re: questions about connecting 2 L1 Models 1's together ( I also have a t1)

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Hello, baldmusician. Thank you for joining our community. Please give us the following information so we can answer your question. Please confirm the model of your L1 systems. Are they L1 Model I (the power stand has a rounded front), or L1 Model 1S (these have legs that swing out from the power stand) What kind of microphones are you using - Please give us the make and model and a link to the owners manual. What kind of floor monitors do you have - Please give us the make and model and a...
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Re: questions about connecting 2 L1 Models 1's together ( I also have a t1)

baldmusician ·
They are L1 MODEL 1. I dont need a step by step guide for the individual mics, and specific floor monitors , I just want to know how to run the cables from the T1 to the L1's ( do I connect the T1 to both the l1's OR do I connect the T1 to one of the L1's and then connect6 that L1 to the other L1?) if which inputs do I connect to on the L1's. And mt second question is simply can we use our own monitors EV and JBL with this setup
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Re: questions about connecting 2 L1 Models 1's together ( I also have a t1)

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Hello, baldmusician. Thanks for the clarification. The T1 has three XLR combo jack inputs (Channels 1, 2, 3). These support microphones. Channel 4/5 is a line-level input and is not suitable for a microphone. However, if you need to run connect a fourth microphone, you can use an impedance matching transformer to connect it to channel 4. See: Use a fourth microphone with the T1 Assuming you want the same signal going to both L1 Model I systems, you can Connect the T1 to the first L1 Model I...
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Re: Dialing in good vocals on T1

Ric ·
Plosives and sibilance can be subdued with a foam microphone windscreens. The locals call them "mic condoms" You can also try different positions of the ToneMatch switch and see if that helps.
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Re: Dialing in good vocals on T1

Mr. Hoon ·
Mic condoms ARE the cheap and easy solution!
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Re: Dialing in good vocals on T1

ST ·
Hi Simon Patrick, It does. Double check the settings on the T1. Preset: Vocal Microphones / Shure SM 58 zEQ: Make sure the Low setting is at 0 or less ParaEQ: Bypassed or reduce the frequency around 80 Hz Check the S1 Pro and consider reducing the Low setting. As you rehearse your songs, learn to avoid singing p s and b s directly into the microphone (turn you head slightly as you sing words with plosives). I don't use foam windscreens except outdoors in windy environments. They tend to...
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Re: Dialing in good vocals on T1

Simon Patrick ·
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Re: Dialing in good vocals on T1

Chet ·
What were you using before? Modern systems like the Bose PAs are much more responsive about reproducing the sounds that it receives than older gear (like 10-30 years ago). A plosive that would be just a mild punctuation in a phrase when delivered to a Shure Vocalmaster with 2 Bogen towers will be just as you describe when delivered to a modern Line Array system... And yes, practice soft "B" instead of "P" and "V" instead of "B". That practice will also help when you get into the recording...
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Re: Dialing in good vocals on T1

Simon Patrick ·
I've used AS 50 and 100D Marshall acoustic amps, a 308i Samson PA, and Crate Audio PSM15P speakers with a 10 year old Mackie mixer. Thanks for the advice. It will take practice but I'm sure I will adjust soon. I'm so happy with the S1.
 
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