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Re: Panaray System Controller Shutting Down

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
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Re: Panaray System Controller Shutting Down

Bose Pro Community Admin ·
Hello Derek, I have moved this post into the Ask Bose for Help forum. Someone at Bose should respond on Monday. Forum Admin
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Panaray System Controller Shutting Down

Derek 2 ·
Hi There, I have a Panaray System controller which is shutting down and medium/low input volumes. I did post about it "Dropping Out" from the gig last night, but have been unable to find that post on this site. At the end of the night, after the room emptied, I reconnected the Bose EQ and ran some tests. The EQ would work if the input volume was low (less than -24db on the input meter). As soon as I increased the volume the Bose EQ would shut down and re-start. The controller screen would go...
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Re: Panaray System Controller Shutting Down

Derek 2 ·
Hi Nick, Thank you for your input, I did call support on Monday morning. I ran the four Bose 802III’s without the Panaray controller to finish the event. After we finished I did confirm the Panaray controller was the problem. It would shut down as soon as the volume increased above the -24db mark on the input meter. We have taken advantage of the offer to replace the Panaray for a Controlspace SP-24 , it should be here tomorrow. Thank you again and Bose support were amazing to deal with. Derek
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Re: Panaray System Controller Shutting Down

Nick-at-Bose ·
Hi Derek, I responded to your other post before reading this one. With this information, we'll certainly have to look at service. Please give us a call - 877-335-2673 Nick-at-Bose
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Feedback / Microphone

ST ·
What is feedback and how does it occur? Feedback occurs when the sound from the loudspeaker (or loudspeakers if a microphone is connected to more than one) is louder at the microphone than the sound of the voice. This fundamental fact is shown in the figure below. Note that in the diagram an L1 system is shown but the same fundamental fact is true for ANY loudspeaker. If you understand this diagram, it is relatively easy to understand how changes in an amplification system and room can...
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Re: How Do I use the T1® ToneMatch Presets, zEQ, and ParaEQ?

Seagullman ·
This may be one of the most important video tutorials that you publish ST. It really shows hands on how to set up the EQ of a particular instrument starting with a preset, then zEQ and then ParaEQ. This should help many to understand what they're doing when setting up an instrument/microphone. Especially good was showing that you can bypass each of the frequency ranges (low/mid/high) separately. The only thing I'm really missing here is maybe showing the effect of the ParaEQ on an acoustic...
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Re: How Do I use the T1® ToneMatch Presets, zEQ, and ParaEQ?

ST ·
Hi Tony, Seagullman posted: ... The only thing I'm really missing here is maybe showing the effect of the ParaEQ on an acoustic guitar with a problem frequency. .. I thought about this, but I don't have a guitar around here with a problem frequency. That's why I did the ParaEQ section with my croaky voice-with-a-cold.
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Re: How Do I use the T1® ToneMatch Presets, zEQ, and ParaEQ?

Seagullman ·
Hi ST, I sometimes find the odd problem frequency depending on the room and how I have to place my system and play through it. I hope your voice recovers quickly. Tony
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How Do I use the T1® ToneMatch Presets, zEQ, and ParaEQ?

ST ·
Here is a video to show you how to set the T1® ToneMatch Presets, zEQ, and ParaEQ. You may not hear the differences in sound that I'm discussing in the recording, but follow along on your T1® and you'll be able to hear them in your environment. Overview Notes: The way the Presets, zEQ and ParaEQ work together ... Set the Preset first. Adjust with zEQ if necessary. If you still want to modify the EQ to solve problems or do things that you couldn't with zEQ, then use the ParaEQ. Longer...
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Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

KindredDuo ·
Hello All, I perform in a Celtic/Folk acoustic duo with my wife. Two vocals, cello, guitars, occasional Irish drum. We use a L1 model II with one B1 (occasionally two), which we feed using two T1s. One T1 is plugged into the analog input at the base, and the other uses the dedicated connection. Guitars (with piezo pickups), and vocals (1 Shure SM 58, 1 Shure SM58beta) tend to go directly into the board and use modest reverb settings. The cello uses a Realist bridge pickup, and is either...
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

ST ·
Hi Dave, Nice to see you again. It's been awhile. Thanks for all the great background information. KindredDuo posted: Hello All, I perform in a Celtic/Folk acoustic duo with my wife. Two vocals, cello, guitars, occasional Irish drum. We use a L1 model II with one B1 (occasionally two), which we feed using two T1s. One T1 is plugged into the analog input at the base, and the other uses the dedicated connection. Guitars (with piezo pickups), and vocals (1 Shure SM 58, 1 Shure SM58beta) tend to...
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

KindredDuo ·
ST, Thank you so much for your detailed reply. I appreciate the time it took, and your expertise. You are a real asset to the Forum. I have a lot of work to do! I'll keep you posted. Dave
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

KindredDuo ·
Hello All! Thanks so much for your input! I will have to try downloading those presets when I get a chance to breath! It's the start of our March Madness St Patrick's Day style, so I'll be able to breathe again next Monday. I just got back from a gig at a senior center in a typical church basement. I was able to set a tonematch for the cello to a Taylor preset and it was an AMAZING DIFFERENCE! Don't tell my wife, but I might be in love with the T1 again. I also left the M13 in the car.
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

Seagullman ·
Hi ST, "Nice catch Tony! I forgot that there is a Realist Preset for Cello." I didn't even know it until I accessed the page. I was actually going to have a look to see what presets there were for an upright bass and saw that there are David Gage Realist presets. Sheer luck. And regarding the upload he should have no problems if he watches your video. Hi Dave, just a thought. It might be an idea to make a note of which T1 you upload the Cello presets to. Tony
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

ST ·
Hi Dave, Tony gave you the link to Presets / ToneMatch / Downloads There's a video on that page. Please watch this before installing the David Gage / The Realist Presets. Installing ToneMatch ® Preset Banks more details ST
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

ST ·
Hi Dave, Thanks for coming back to let us know how you are doing. It's great to know that using a Taylor Guitar preset was an improvement. I'll look forward to hearing more when you've had a chance to try the David Gage / Realist Preset. Have fun. ST
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

Seagullman ·
Hi Dave, thanks from me too. Looking forward to your next update. Until then: Have a good St. Patrick's Day and don't forget about hangovers Tony
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

Seagullman ·
Hi Dave, regarding this: "It's TOO bassy, sometimes brittle sounding. The line6 is meant to help smooth out the sound, but it doesn't seem to be working for that intent." and this: "The cello uses a Realist bridge pickup, and is either direct as above, or goes through a line 6 M13 effects pedal for reverb, chorus, delay, and other nonsense." Using any type of time based effect such as reverb, delay, chorus, flanger, phaser will basically always affect the directness of the original sound of...
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Re: Best tonematch setting for cello, questions regarding sound

ST ·
Nice catch Tony! I forgot that there is a Realist Preset for Cello.
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

ST ·
Hi Cap, Cap posted Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position Bose does not publish details about the proprietary EQ profiles used in the Power Stands or ToneMatch® Presets. When connected to an L1 Model 2 and/or L1 Model 1S powerstand. 250 watts of bass power is available. What does the three position switch do exactly. Is it a choke? Is it an EQ? Both the L1® Model 1S and L1® Model II have proprietary system EQ settings. The system EQ...
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Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

Cap ·
When connected to an L1 Model 2 and/or L1 Model 1S powerstand. 250 watts of bass power is available. What does the three position switch do exactly. Is it a choke? Is it an EQ? Does it compare to earlier Model Classic & L1 Model 1 mechanical presets (e.g. 57 & 58)?
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

RobbieD ·
Hi Cap, I assume you are asking about the 3 position switch on the back of the B2 sub. It doesn't do anything within the speaker itself. Instead, it tells a Model 2 Powerstand what bass level to put out: + Causes the Model 2 Powerstand to increase the subwoofer output by 3dB Normal does not change the Model 2 Powerstand subwoofer output - Causes the Model 2 Powerstand to reduce the subwoofer output by 3dB The EQ between the settings stays the same. Only the amount of bass changes. (You are...
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

Cap ·
Seems, with two replies, we have a difference of information. Thank you for your replies and time.
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

RobbieD ·
Hi ST, Yes you are correct. I only use my B2's with L1 Model 2's but thought I had read somewhere that the switch didn't work with the S1. But I think I was getting confused with the Model 1!
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

ST ·
Hi RobbieD, Cap, RobbieD posted: The 3 position switch does not work with a Model 1S Powerstand. The 3 position switch DOES work with the L1® Model 1S Power Stand. ST
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

RobbieD ·
Exactly. The switch actually switches a couple of small resistors inside the speaker connected to pins 2+ & 2- on the Speakcon (the drivers are connected to pins 1+ & 1-, so no signal goes through these resistors). The Powerstand senses what resistance value is across pins 2+ & 2- and knows which position the switch is in, and literally turns the bass volume up or down accordingly. The Powerstand senses the (different) B1 resistor in the same way to set the appropriate EQ.
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

ST ·
Hi RobbieD, The B2 Bass Level Switch is not functional with an L1® Classic or L1® Model I. Attention L1 model I and Classic users : When using the B2 with the L1 model I or Classic systems the rear panel switch must be in the Normal position. + or - switch positions will not work. Source: B2 Switching ST
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Re: Three Position Bose B2 Switch - What are The Electrical/Frequency Characteristics Of Each Position

Cap ·
Great information. Thanks to you both.
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Is there any way to see ToneMatch EQ settings without having a T1?

GLB Productions ·
Good day everyone! I've been a sound engineer for some 15 years now but am only just beginning to discover the Bose Tonematch concept for professional use. I must confess that at first the idea of letting somebody else 'do my EQ' for me struck me as being rather... unsound ;) However after doing my research and reading lots of customer testimonials I can see that user feedback is excellent and the system really appears to work, especially for festival-type situations or at any event where...
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Re: Is there any way to see ToneMatch EQ settings without having a T1?

ST ·
Hi Bruno, Thanks for the great questions. GLB Productions posted: Good day everyone! I've been a sound engineer for some 15 years now but am only just beginning to discover the Bose Tonematch concept for professional use. I must confess that at first the idea of letting somebody else 'do my EQ' for me struck me as being rather... unsound However after doing my research and reading lots of customer testimonials I can see that user feedback is excellent and the system really appears to work,...
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Re: Is there any way to see ToneMatch EQ settings without having a T1?

GLB Productions ·
ST posted: Is there any way to see the EQ curve for the various presents without actually having a T1 mixer? In addition, is Tonematch just EQ, or does it also contain some element of dynamics control? Thanks. The ToneMatch Presets are EQ (only). The settings for the EQ are not published so you can't see the EQ curves with or without a T1®. But you can certainly hear them with the T1®. Here is an article that describes all of that in more detail. ToneMatch ® There's also a change for the...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

ST ·
Hi Tom For future reference, I found the manual for your monitors here. http://harbingerproaudio.com/w...ri-Series_Manual.pdf TomF1 posted: Hi, I play in a Pink Floyd 4 piece cover band (Midnight-Floyd.com) and we had very mixed results with the F1s for various reasons. One of the issues we have a lot is feedback because we often loop 2 600w Harbingers between the 812s and the mixer. So the chain is currently: Mixer XAir18 -> Sennheiser In Ear Monitor Transmitter -> Harbinger Monitor...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
ST, All makes sense. I never thought of cloning the master mix. Brilliant idea. Thanks so much. Also for the Harbinger manuals. I will try out the cloning first and see how that works. Will also check the cancellation through the Harbingers. Thanks again, tom p.s. I play a regular stock Strat American DeLuxe Strat https://images.reverb.com/imag...sqc8kf3nm3zareiz.jpg A regular stock Tele American DeLuxe https://images.reverb.com/imag...0o3umhgubrkdoy5z.jpg Both with the noiseless pickups and...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
Just curious, did you guys ever consider the L1 systems instead? That would suit your playing/monitor style more, plus you gain the advantage of a much cleaner stage front.
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
Instead of both actually. L1M2 systems would replace your entire rig, F1, Harbingers, and maybe even IEMs and mixer. Depending on how many L1 systems you get.
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
You mean instead of the F1s or instead of the Harbingers?
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Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
Hi, I play in a Pink Floyd 4 piece cover band (Midnight-Floyd.com) and we had very mixed results with the F1s for various reasons. One of the issues we have a lot is feedback because we often loop 2 600w Harbingers between the 812s and the mixer. So the chain is currently: Mixer XAir18 -> Sennheiser In Ear Monitor Transmitter -> Harbinger Monitor -> F1 812 -> F1 Sub. We are all plugged into the mixer (Digital drum set, bass direct in, Kemper profiling amp, keys, mics) The reason...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

ST ·
Hi TomF1, Thank you for joining the Community. I appreciate the description of your band and what you are doing. Nice to meet you. I found this document on the Harbinger monitors http://harbingerproaudio.com/w...118_HP115_Manual.pdf What model of Harbinger are you using? If yours is not covered by the document above, please give us a link to the manual for your monitors. Thanks, ST
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
ST, Nice to meet you too. Thanks for your reply. I have the Harbinger V2112. They are not part of this document. Here is a link. Thanks again, tom http://www.musiciansfriend.com...6037401060x147284900
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
Multiple L1M2 systems can easily handle crowds up to 500 or so at hard rock levels. But if not, using 3 L1 systems behind the band as monitors will allow you to move the F1s further out to the side as FOH while minimizing feedback all throughout. Multiple L1s can get loud. Even for large crowds specially in open air venues. All while eliminating front monitors perhaps even IEMs and mixer.
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
Not sure I understand. I can't imagine the L1s replacing the F1s. In a small pub maybe but anything larger than 200 people?
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
ST, Jonathan, JohnL, Thank you all for your thoughtful comments. I spent all of this day to read up on the L1s and the concepts. For now I won't be able to convince my band mates to cough up something north of $2,000 each and BYO PA. Have to find a way to introduce the idea and create the desire. Until then I will work with what I have. Maybe replace the Harbingers at some point with L1s without the tone match and keep adding over time. Jonathan, Your point about separate Monitor Mix is well...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
The 1 L1 per member does take a lot of convincing. Very gutsy on the i3. I don't think I could be comfortable with the limited range given the weight of the gear. I used to lug all my gear in my 5 series. Now I use an X5 (Can you tell I'm a Bimmer nut?) Given that you already lug around the F1, you could personally replace the Harbinger with an L1M2 to use as your personal monitor behind you, you'll find that it feels much like having a full stack behind you, except one that sounds good at...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
Interesting idea. Just read up about it. Our concept is to scale from the smallest places (~50 people cafes) to about 300-500. But most of the time we want to bring Pink Floyd music with an excellent sound to small places that otherwise would never host a PF coverband. No guitar amps, no bass amps, digital drums, all goes into the XAir 18 mixer. And I have a BMW i3 (smaller than a VW Golf) that has to hold all my guitar equipment and the PA, cables, etc. So my desire is a small footprint on...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

Jonathan in Charlotte ·
A few more things to think about: If you are using much compression and EFX on the vocals in the house you are duplicating that in monitors, and that would be a huge contributor to feedback along with the aforementioned inability to EQ separately. I'd strongly encourage you to go to discrete monitor mixes, no matter how you build them, for the reasons mentioned earlier. (whether from a copy of house, house copy to matrix, etc.) You can also try to move the F1 stack a bit back so the vocals...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
ST, JohnL, You just lost me. I don't have an L1 so I can't try what you are asking. And I think you mean 'in driving direction" (flat) when you say "perpendicular to the direction". Now, I can tell you that the F1 subs will not fit upright in the cargo space. The Harbingers will. The F1s have to either 1) lay down flat on top of each other (see pic, bad) or 2) the subs flat and lined up with the passenger seat all the way to the front and the 812 lined up, flat behind the driver's seat. (no...
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

ST ·
Hi Tom, I'm sorry, I got mixed up a bit here. I've been talking with another Tom who has two L1®s and two F1s. I've gone back and made a couple of visible edits in my long post above. About the direction of travel stuff, I meant that I never put the L1® sections lengthwise, parallel to a line from front to back of the car. Basically, whenever I'm packing a car, I'm aware of where things will end up in the event of a crash. It's been fun to look at the BMW i3 online. Good food for thought.
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

TomF1 ·
JohnL, The i3 does about 120 miles on one charge and then as much as you need on the REX. Again, the idea of the small footprint. The Xair does have feedback suppression built in but there is only so much you can do. I just tried something. I cranked the pa up until feedback and then I turned off one effect after the other (Enhancer/exciter, compressor, reverb, delay). I was able to move the master fader up significantly before the feedback returned. So there is something to tinker with.
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Re: Looping Monitors into the F1s

JohnL ·
Hi ST, The i3 has approx 50" of clearance. the beauty of the car is that there is no center hump on the floor. It narrows a little for the wheel wells but not by much. The L1 radiators should fit perpendicular while on top of B2 or the power stand. I used to place them right behind the front seats to minimize velocity in hitting the front seats should I get into a frontal collision. https://secure.bmw.com/com/en/.../technical_data.html
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