What Do You Think of This New Approach?

L1® - Too much clarity?

Bose Pro Community Admin
Spun off from Making Customers CrazyRead More...
This topic reminds of a gig that should get a few laughs. i too play country music, and was setting up for a gig in a local club (something like a legion) alot of older people, nothing was plugged in yet, no power turned on when this gentleman came up and quite rudely demanded that i turn down the *** **** VOLUME !!!. well, you can only be pushed too far and i not so politely told him to give me a break you old fart, its the *** **** JUKEBOX !!!! i still laugh about abit today, we put up...Read More...

... MEANWHILE, On The Other Side Of Town ...

Mike in Texas
Again Ken & Cliff - absolutely wonderful look-back thread - I thoroughly enjoyed every word, every handwritten note, every picture, every page. You guys did a remarkable thing that has yielded meaningful benefits for so many musicians and listeners. Thank you both again for sharing the very cool journey. I say at every opportunity that my Bose equipment has extended my performing life and thus my music life. Now I certainly do NOT suggest that my story here is in the same league as your...Read More...
I use to do gigs in senior homes, birthday parties, 25th weddings and maybe something like "bar piano". Very often the senior homes and clubs have a low budget for music, ok. there are ways to save money. About venues with up to 40 listeners I simply use bus and train instead car and use a very compact system, that covers this well. When I got a gig request, where they expect me to cover 100 people, I could'n't use anything than a car, so my "yes" depends on the money I get and the miles...Read More...

A note of appreciation

ST
So what do I think of this new approach? (forum title) It's been six years since I joined this community. I had just seen Cliff-at-Bose and The Linemen play a show here in Vancouver. I saw the presentation " Music is Human " at that show. --== click the picture to see it in context ==-- I got my first L1® the next morning. I wish that we could know when we cross the threshold of a life defining moment. Six years ago I had one of those moments. The history of how that all turned out is all...Read More...
I also must agree with ST, and all the other contributors to this thread. It's not that I ever had any doubt that this system would sound great, but it was so radical that I really wanted to hear it in action before I laid down the cash. That took soe time as there werent many bands around using this system. A solo artist buddy got one and I went to hear him play, he doesnt really play that loud at his venues and I was a little concerned about how much volume I could get out of the L1. I...Read More...
I traded my Mark V like I said I would, I'm pretty happy, I get great guitar tones from my POD HD500 into the model II, and this is going to offer a lot more options at gigs no matter what band I play in. So now I have 2 model II's, 2 T1's and 4 B1's. I also bought the A1 packlite. I'm thinking before the end of the month I may get another B1 which would allow me in certain situations to run 1 model II with a single B1 and the other with 4 B1's which could then easily handle Kick drum and...Read More...
Thanks ST, that's kind of what I'm thinking regarding the extra B1. I don't think I really need more than 1 for just my guitar and vocals but it's good to have lots of options. I have to say though, these units really have a lot of hidden surprises. Although they say 170 degree coverage there are some sweet spots beyond that coverage. I imagine that the 170 claim is really more for the audience coverage. But there are some great spots to the side and behind. Having learned that at the last...Read More...

Just A Thought - Powered Vocal Monitors

Litesnsirens
I have the L1 Model II with 4 B1s (and packlite). I just bought the extended bass so I have only tried the system with 2 B1's so far but thats not the focus just want you to know where I'm coming from. Of course if I am using the L1 as intended ie; only me playing through it it works as expected and I can position it as such that I don't need to use any kind of monitor. The problem is that I'm the only on in any of the bands I play in that has an L1 so we usually use it for the vocals for...Read More...
As usual ST, all good points, but when I made this suggestion, I wasnt necessarily talking about this potential product being a companion for the L1 system, even though I may use it with mine. I have been using these little mic stand mounted monitors for a few years even prior getting the L1, I prefer it to regular floor wedges. Because they are so much closer they don't need to be as loud, so it's not quite the residual damage that you describe or at least it's to a lesser degree. In the...Read More...

New one Band of L1

Algis
We are using these Bose L1 Cylindrical Radiators in indoor & outdoor ( 2 - L1's Classic & 2 - L1's II model, 12 B1 bass modules + 2 Bose Panaray 310M Multi-Position Floor Array Monitors ). 9 musician R'N'R band . When performing we are not using no any other kind of speakers . Sound is great & no problem with feedbacks, booming, wowing, big echoes in halls & other minor issues, which always are with "normal" speakers . & there is a very big difference in sound quality ;...Read More...
How would you connect up the panaray floor monitors with the L1 II?Read More...

Bose have actually got it right.

For most of my married life I have been making speaker boxes, some for other people and most for myself and my band. A few years ago when the first Bose L1 came out, I went to the store and had a close look at this new sound system. The salesman couldn't play the Bose in the store, but I realized then that they were column speakers (or linear arrays) - but completely different to anything I had seen. Bose seemed to be doing something that all the "established" literature for their design...Read More...
Hi Steve, Thank you for telling us about your journey. Here's a link to the L1® Research Project History prepared by Ken-at-Bose. I am sure that if you haven't seen it already, you will find it very interesting.Read More...

Anyone remember the Wall of Sound

The title about says it all. The mother of all personal amplification systems was the Grateful Dead's Wall of Sound, circa 1973 where we pushed the individual column concept about as far as it could go...Phil's bass system alone was two columns of 18 15" speakers, each 36 feet tall.... Nice to see Bose following in our footsteps with something that's actually portable!Read More...
Wow, that's crazy thanks for sharing that Ken!Read More...

Real "Live Sound" - amplified. a.k.a: How to do 'stereo' in a large room?

A number of things came together in my mind recently which raised the question: How can every listener in a large room experience the "localization" one expects from either a "stereo" recording or from being up close to a live (acoustic) group performance? I know that visual input has an affect on this 'localization', but even in a large concert hall with an orchestra there is a sense of the 'localization' of the sound -- even with eyes closed, one can tell that the double basses are in a...Read More...
I miss reading posts like this <G> I get to learn, lean, and get lost all in less than 5 min.Read More...

Consumer behaviour - influencing venues

ST
I was thinking about my behaviour as a consumer. In the last week I have walked out of three restaurants simply because it was too loud. In only one of those did I actually say anything to someone on staff. On reflection, I think I should have said something at the other two places. In the place where I said something, it was one of those joints where you are greeted with a sign, "Please wait to be seated". In the few moments it took someone to come over an offer to take me to a seat I...Read More...
Say it loud! I'm a dinosaur and proud!Read More...

Performing in noisy environments

ST
Drumr Pete (a regular here) recently sent me an article that I thought you might find interesting. Pass the Salt ... and a Megaphone If you use the L1® Approach (L1®s behind the performers) here's the question: you have the L1®s behind you and no monitors between you and the audience (to effectively mask the noise in the room) Has this this changed the way you perform since getting your L1®? Note: Please let's not debate the merits of the L1® approach here. I know that there are people here...Read More...
I'm glad to see that article. I thought it was just in my town that the construction folks had given up on putting any sound-deadening materials in the rooms. It's gotten where my wife and I don't go to any newer restaurants because they are so noisy, and I definitely don't play any of these unless the pay is really good. The funny thing is that the older places (100 years old or more) can be just as bad as the new places with reverberant tin ceilings, plaster walls and wood floors. I don't...Read More...

Got my T1 in and all I can say is WOW!

I bought a L1 Compact about a year ago and have been using traditional mixers during this time, BUT I am totally ignorant as to HOW to make it sound good on my own, SO I just played around with it till it didnt feedback. lol. I have had major issues with Feedback when I turn it up and decided that I cant do the sound myself, SO I said it is time to spend the money for the T1 Tonematch. WOW, I am SO amazed at what it is supposed to sound like! It was like a blind person trying to drive a race...Read More...
Thanks guys! I have to admit now that isn't me singing in some of those on my page. My co-writer Mitch Rossell is singing Prayin it Dont Rain. I am actually singing "The Truck Song" I have a number of different people's voices on my Myspace page. I am singing a lot of my own songs on my Youtube page, but this was before my T1, so the sound isn't as good as it is now. lol. Thanks so much for your help! CurtRead More...

"Live" vs "Recorded" Emotional Response

holliwil
An interesting study done with fMRI imaging of the brain, showing how the dynamic nuances of a "live" performance evokes deep emotional responses, whereas as "flat" recorded sample of the same performance had little emotional effect. "Recorded" vs "Live" I believe being able to visually observe the dynamics enhances the emotional response even further, and the L1 approach maximizes it by allowing the audience to track to the individual performers onstage. Music IS Human! Best of Luck, JeffRead More...
Oldghm: Yes, and I try to find them and play to them. If they make eye contact, smile or start tapping their foot it can create that cycle of energy that goes back and forth. I find if I can get that, I improve (at least I feel like I do...maybe it's more of an emotional thing.) I have told my wife that at least in terms of performer/audience, that there isn't a lot of difference between what I do and Elvis did or Springsteen does; we're looking to connect and deliver to the best of our...Read More...

120 gigs later

That comes to $25/gig. It's cheaper than renting. I was thinking today about how long and how much and in how many different configurations I have used my L1M2 in the last 2 1/2 years:small jazz combo, personal monitor/direct out in loud rock band, quieter acoustic shows of 2 - 5 people, bluegrass, rock jam parties. Several times when the rock band components blew, we put those channels through my Bose. I've been very happy with it. If it gave me trouble, I would be on this forum more. I'm...Read More...
Hi Tomg, Thank you for posting this. I read it and meant to get back here sooner. I'm not particularly technical and when it comes to my own shows, my approach is pretty simple. When I can hear myself okay, I'm ready to go. Oh, and if there are others on stage then I'd like to be able to hear them too. I've been using the L1® (various models) since June 2004, and I still appreciate it every time I fire one up. SO true. And I hate to admit it but I could fill a very large room with stuff I...Read More...
or - Who's whoming whom? Tonight I was out at an open microphone event. I was there mainly because I had my new PorchBoard SlapBass and I wanted to see how people took to it. I'll write about that in another post. For a multitude of reasons (my car is in the shop and my Compact is in the trunk, very small courtesy car), I found myself on stage without an L1®. I hadn't really planned on doing much if any playing tonight but I had my guitar with me and there I was. It was your basic speakers...Read More...
I usually get just the opposite - that I need more guitar.Read More...

Continually impressed.

I just bought an L1 model II, Double bass system with the Tone Match engine (got a cramp typing that) and I am very happy with it. Thus far I have used it in trio (Vox, Perc, Baliset - think Chapman Stick), (Guitar, Upright Bass & Sax), duo (Vox & Baliset) and Solo (Baliset, monitor for Upright and Electric bass) in a wide variety of room settings and it handily meets expectations each time. I really like knowing that everyone in the room is hearing what I am at the appropriate...Read More...
Welcome, Tom! I'm glad your L1 Model II is working out well for you! Best Wishes, JeffRead More...

New L1 user in Eastern Canada !

swhoelefp69
I just picked up an L1 Classic, and am super thrilled !... I've only yet heard vocals through this, but was blown away... I'm going to put it through the paces tonight, with acoustic guitar as well... I'm listing my SRM350's and Mackie mixer on the classified ad's tonight !!! Thanks, Bose.Read More...
Hi Bubba, You might be interested in this: recording andRead More...

karaoke

New here, bear with me. Is the PAS well suited to a karaoke venue? I plan to buy the Bose with B1 package, but had heard some rumor that is was very hard to mix with the prerecorded karaoke music. I also do some shows with an Elvis impersonator friend in venues of 400 people or less. Plan to get a small Mackie mixer to go with it. Will the PAS work well in outside shows as well? Any info would be appreciated.Read More...
I've run karaoke shows for two years with my L1's & have ♥ed every minute of it! I would say pick up a Heil Fin microphone to go along with your Elvis act! Unless you run a wireless mic then get a Line 6 XD-V70 wireless system & the Heil RC22 replacement capsule (with Gold wind screen) to pop on top for some amazing vocals!!!Read More...

I found my voice - and I noticed last night.

ST
What's up with my avatar? (In case anyone noticed)... or Learning from visiting the Past I was a little off my regular route last night. And you know how it goes: When you are off balance anyway it just takes a nudge and you can lose your footing and land someplace unexpected. I got one of those nudges and ended up in a bar at a loud Blues jam. And that took me miles off my current musical trajectory. It was a throw-back - a good 15 or 20 years. There were no L1®s in this place. It was loud...Read More...
ST... Your AVATAR, I LIKE!!! You're a talented artist too. I think you should save it on the blog along with all your other collection of avatars since 2007... the last one you have there is with just the T1. LOLRead More...

You've Ruined Me for Conventional PAs

The family took in a show at the Knoxville Balloon Fest this weekend. Headline act was Dishwater Blonde - a nationally tourning funk type o band. Very talented. The stage was a very nice size - the PA was from a professional local provider. We put out our blanket just in front of and to the right of the FOH sound board. I thought the mix was pure lumpy mud. The keys, sax and bass were nearly indiscernible. The bass drum thump wacked us all in the chest pretty fiercely. The guitars (Sodano...Read More...
I perform as one half of an acoustic duo "Acoustic Twist" and utilize one Bose Original L1 system and 2 B1's + Tonematch. My brother (the other half of the duo) plays a stand-up cocktail drum kit. So far, we mic the bass drum only. I play acoustic-electric guitar with a Roland GR-20 synth and sing through a Digitech vocalist. Recently, we opened up an evening of entertainment in a gymnasium on a stage with just our Bose set-up. The rain forced the bands inside. I crutched/lifted the Bose...Read More...

Introduction....

Hi my name is Wiz. www.ozlandmusic.com I have just taken delivery of a brand spanking new bouncing baby L1 Model II system including T1...8) I live in Australia, and in a town (bundaberg) about 4 hours north of the capital of Queensland (Brisbane) I had to drive down to Brisbane, to test the bose systems, as the town I live in doesn't have a shop that carries them. It really is a remarkable product, especially the price point...!!!!....8)....show no mercy comes to mind..LOL....8)... I have...Read More...
[quote]So what sort of live music do you play up there in Bundaberg?ç Hi Valvenerd Much the same as Sydney, in 1985..8) ...just kidding, I moved up from Melbourne about 6 years ago...i do play a lot more country now, than I used to...8)..... [quote]OK, I went back and listened more and did something I almost NEVER do: bought the album on iTunes. Your music lives on the same street as mine...[quote] Hey thanks for the lovely compliment Wayne, and for purchasing the album... cheers PeteRead More...

Single or double bass modules??

I currently have a double bass PAS. Yesterday, I did a test playing back some test tones through a single bass and double bass configuration. There is no difference! I measured db levels through a db meter and could find absolutely no difference in the loudness of bass between having one or two bass modules. Can someone explain this? If this is true, then everyone might be better off having just one bass module as it's easier and faster to set up. Sound is exactly the same.Read More...
HI Peter Thanks for reviving this old post. It answers some questions I wasn't sure how to ask.Read More...

BOSE L1 fans.... Facebook group

IanHB
Gidday everyone, I have just created a new FACEBOOK group for fans and supporters of the L1 audio system. If you would like to become a fan and join then we would love to have your support. I became a little tired of the putdowns, usually by youngsters in black T shirts with cloth ears who all knew that... "the bigger and blacker the box the better the sound....right" I have had so many great comments from artists to whom I have demonstrated the system and audience members who have enjoyed...Read More...
I posted a photo on the page that ST set up. Does not seem to be much traffic to that page.Read More...
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