What Do You Think of This New Approach?

Q.why is pas like a bad e-bayer?

Answer-they both have zero! feedback.I am becoming a little blase about the system now on gigs and often lean over close to the tower while singing (head set mic) just to see the look of fear on watchers faces as they wait for the ear-piercing howl that usually follows on most other systems then the look of disbelief when it doesnt come (sadistic pleasure can be adictive)last night the club host begged me to do his announcements for him as the house mic was like a rat on a hot-plate,even...Read More...

Power Supply

Is there a PAS unit with a switchable power supply for those of us who travel and play internationally? thanks KiffRead More...
PLease click here http://bose.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/3976055944/m/2031008552 for the answer. Thanks HilmarRead More...

OK, Laugh If You Want, But Only After You've Tried It

Oldghm
Maybe this has been mentioned before, if so I didn't catch it. While plying around this morning I turned the PS1/L1 to face the wall. About 2 1/2 feet away from a brick fireplace. Not sure what I was thinking at the time, a mixture of thoughts about traditional music setups, boundaries, and other variables we incounter as we go venue to venue. The sound didn't change much, and it occurred to me this might be a possibility when there is not much room on stage, and feedback becomes an issue as...Read More...
Just to settle the debate, I am proportioned to produce many kinds of waves. My favorite, learned from my older daughters, is the Queen Elizabeth one-hand. Great for parades.Read More...

PAS Just Needs One More Thing.....

guitarget
After setting everything up this afternoon at the Wellbury Wellness Center in Hampstead (NC), I sat down, tuned my Rainsong, turned the PAS remote up, and started talking to the 40 or 50 folks who came to hear me perform..... Oops....can't hear anything other than my own big mouth. Hey, I thought I checked every connection..... Ah-ha! That stupid roadie forgot that last step - to plug the PAS into the wall! Seems to me, by now Bose should have figured out how to transfer electricity directly...Read More...
OK Steve, now you're just trying to intimidate meRead More...

pas.and pizza similar?

HAVING FOR YEARS NOW USED SMALLER PORTABLE POWERED SPEAKER SYSTEMS (YES THOSE) i HAVE SUFFERED THE PROBLEM OF STANDING BETWEEN TWO SPEAKERS AND GETTING BASS-WASHED! SO TURNING UP TREBLE TO COMPENSATE AND THEN FINDING OUT THE FRONT-ROW SOUND KILLING RODENTS (SHARP).lIKE A PIZZA THE BASE!SHOULD BE ON THE BOTTOM AND THE TASTY STUFF ON TOP (LIKE PAS.)WHEN BASS COMES AT YOU AT EAR-LEVEL IT SPOILS THE WHOLE LISTENING EXPERIENCE,BASS SHOULD BE PERCIEVED AND FELT MORE THAN HEARD,IT IS THE PLATFORM...Read More...
How do you get a bass player off your doorstep? pay him for the pizza,some things are better heard and not seenRead More...

getting used 2

Well after 6 gigs it's still a bit wierd having all the sound coming from behind (or to the side dep.on available stage room), still need to tweak thing as I go to get balance right.XT_LIVE sounds better on line-out.Find the volume a bit hard to handle at times but it's got to reach the whole room,then about 1hr into the gig I suddenly get a light-bulb moment, know what?I am loving what I hear as much as the crowd.THIS IS FUN i dont want to stop playing yahoo!OH and there is more,bent over...Read More...
It do "sneak up on ya", don't it? Sounds awesome, Angello....wish I could be there! Jeff http://www.theunmentionables.comRead More...

Loud band, Small space, Low expectations

I purchased a PAS system a couple weeks ago to evaluate it and see if it was worth the money, or if I should just go with a regular P.A. system. Just playing through it alone with Bass/Vocals or Acoustic Guitar/Vocals, I was immediately blown away with the clarity and ease of use of the system. Using the custom settings for an SM57 and an acoustic guitar pickup, I thought it sounded as good or better as any open mic I've been to. Both my (passive) Fender jazz and my (active) Warwick thumb...Read More...
Petrecca, Just for the fun of it...some night try practicing as quiet as humanly possible. You will be amazed at what happens. PRead More...

Wondering if this is the right system

We are building a new Student Ministry Building and will be looking at investing in a good sound system. The building has two meeting rooms that are about 45x50 each. We run a band with two guitars, bass, drums, keyboard, and 3-4 vocals with a wireless mic for speaking. We also need the system to run our Background music played through a CD player and be the house system for video presentation as well. Is this too much to ask of the PAS? How would this be set up? We are willing to spend...Read More...
Hi Phil, Just got back in town and have read the posts. I'll drop you a PM. My contact info is also in the AD reps list as well. DanRead More...

The good, bad, & ugly

First the good. After I unpacked my two new PAS w B1's I had everthing set up in less than 10 minutes. That's Four mics Two acoustic guitars w/ fishman auras and a mandolin w/ a pre-amp. When the base player shows up I'll plug him in off a direct box set the trim.... A few minutes and off we go. Sound: Works as advertised. Wonderfully clear sound and no monitors to worry about. After about two songs we all started to realize that we were playing lower and less because when you can hear that...Read More...
I wasn't by any means trying to slam Alesis; they make some great stuff. I was saying that I think a higher quality (as in more expensive) effects box would be a better choice for most users when paired with a sound system with the clarity of the Bose. A better choice, as you indicated, would be some of the units from Lexicon or TC Electronic. I would prefer to neither pay for nor lug a built-in effects section, despite the convenience of no patch cables. Edit: Sorry, I was rushing earlier...Read More...

Great System but NEEDS a universal aux snd/rtrn

Hi All, I've been using my PAS for my solo acoustic guitar/vocal shows for over a year now and LUV it It is a godsend to the solo entertainer, which I have been one full time for 10 years now, so I know what I'm talking about, I've tried it all-even standing with my JBL behind me to avoid needing a monitor(it don't work). After many miles and pleasant nights with my quick, light weight, simple to setup, great sounding PAS, this is my only big criticism. I must say it REALLY does need a...Read More...
Hi tman, scriptura, Here is a discussion we had with scriptura about his/her setup in mid-April. 7 Piece Ensemble with 5 Bose Systems Don't know if things have changed much since then.Read More...

How do I make them believers?

I own a PAS and subwoofer which I use personally and love. I also play a little guitar in our church band. Our church seats about 450 and typically has two guitarists, bass, piano, keyboards, drums (2), and 3 to 4 singers. Our current sound system seems to be compromised by the monitor volume we have to keep, and the end result is a muddied sound to the audience. I have mentioned and even demonstrated my PAS, but I am not sure that they believe multiple PAS' will be loud enough, and that...Read More...
We had a rehearsal last night in a basement for our church ... which is a new church that doesn't have a 'building' of it's own, so we have to set up everything each week (and we're just now going from occassional usage to weekly!). As we were packing up the keyboard and the two double bass Pers.Amp.Sys's so they were ready to go for Sunday morning, there was a bit of groaning -- until one of the other guys said "just think what we'd be doing if we had a conventional system". That stopped...Read More...

What can We do for You?

Now that everyone has had a change to apply our new design in “real-life” applications, I would like to know what suggestions are out there for system improvement. No one has more insight then all of you who are using the system day in and day out. I would like to focus this discussion on usability and design rather than pricing or sonic quality. Like many of you, I am a gigging / traveling musician and, I too, am presented with the familiar inconveniences of setting up before a show. I am...Read More...
Mike, unfortunately DSP is NOT "already in there"....unless you meant the "suggeston box"! I agree, both a DSP AND a feeback reduction system would be great.... I'm still struggling with feedback.....it's tough when you have various different set-ups, finding just one good "spot" for all the gain levels......Read More...
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Loop problems?

Our church is about to invest in some in-ear monitors and your new system got my attention. I have one major concern though. If the speakers are behind the mics, how is there not feedback or a really bad loop from the sound of the speakers entering the mics.Read More...
Hello WorshipHim, We recently had a good discussion on the differences between our new approach to amplified live music and in-ear monitors. Click here and I'll take you to that discussion. If a naturalistic approach to playing (think jamming in the living room) appeals to you I strongly encourage you to find a way to try our system. If you tell us a bit more about where you are, we may be able to provide some local support. With best regards, KenRead More...

This classical guitar builder thinks the Bose PAS System is great

As a classical guitar builder I am always on the lookout for an effective answer to the perennial problem of how to reinforce the sound of a classical guitar without ruining the sound. Transducer pickup systems don't work. Neither do two ways. The Bose PAS does work, giving a very high fidelity sound at a level that is ample for a 250 plus seat auditorium, even if the acoustic is poor. I recently had the pleasure of hearing one of my guitars played in just such a setting, both in a piano duo...Read More...
Allan, do you have a website for your guitars? I would love to see a virtual tour of your shop. Thanks for the kind words about the PAS System.Read More...

Bose PAS - First Impressions!

I asked about the Bose PAS system a week or so ago. (by the way Steve-at-Bose....I was never contacted by anyone) Our banjo player and I met at Guitar Center in Richmond to check one out. He brought his banjo and I pulled a Taylor 614CE off the wall (same as my acoustic). We plugged in with no effects. The results....Amazing. Really. The sound was so huge and natural in the room. Everywhere we'd move in the room, the sound volume was about the same. No dead spots...no blaring spots. But we...Read More...
Hey, The Gail & Petra Band is performing in an open air dinner court in Eagle, Co. Even though we are set up with high tech midi devices, we are just doing acoustic guitars, hand drumming and lots of harmony. One of the requirements of this band is to be paid cheap and be wallpaper music. However, Our goal is to support the staff through appropiate volume and some entertainment for the patrons. We have people eating 3 feet in front of us and also 30 feet away. The owner first did not...Read More...

Here I go, just took the plunge

I just bought 2 double bass systems, I plan on buying one more system ( maybe two ) if all goes well. I'm in a (mostly) '80 hair metal cover band ( right now 3 piece + lead singer ). I have a rather large, higer end PA now, which I hope is on the way out. I was real slow to buy this system because I don't see anyone else playing in that type of band on here. The reasons I'm trying this approach: 1)Set up. It takes me 3-4 hours to load up, drive, setup and sound check. What gets left off if...Read More...
hammer, That last part had me cracking up "and of course, look good. " I grew up on 80's metal (don't hate me 'cuz I listened to, and liked, hair bands). If you look for posts by Ally-x you'll see a band doing metal (mostly modern) with the system. I'm confident you'll get what you want out of the system and have a ball. We're here to help along the way, SteveRead More...

Allot of other forums are saying some bad stuff

frankieve
It seems that all other forums like Prosound, and Harmony central are just bashing this system, I ordered a double bass unit for a 4 piece wedding band for 100 to 200 people coverage. And it seems all the other forums are saying you could get allot more for better sound for that money, they are saying bass reproduction will be horrible and you will lack the mid bass region because of the natural limits of the speakers. I will hopefully get my unit Thursday and have a gig Saturday, so I hope...Read More...
Frankieve; I just sent you a PM. I live very close to you and may be able to help you get up and running. Feel free to give me a call...the number is in the private message.Read More...

LIVE AT LAST

I’ve been waiting for quite awhile to hear a live band that uses the PAS. Ken at Bose informed me that Tony Sarno was to play two dates in San Francisco. Unfortunately I was going to be out of town the weekend that Tony was playing. Ken was able to get me into the Thursday night rehearsal before the shows. So here is my impression of the PAS: The venue was The Potrero Hill Neighborhood House which is a community center at the top of Potrero Hill in San Francisco. I would consider the room...Read More...
Hi RobertL, Glad you finally got to hear 'em! We used four B1s on each of the bass and drums systems for the Seattle and Tacoma gigs. It was thunderous! As with all good things, self mixing takes some practice. DanRead More...

Anxiously Awaiting Delivery

SMSgt PmP
Hello to All, I've been lurking here for sometime - I must say that this is the best, friendliest users group I've ever seen. Great folks here, always willing to help (you know who you are)! Can't wait to see those boxes show up at my door. After hearing The Syndicators in Cocoa Beach, I arranged to have my band try out the Bose in a Titusville FL ministry called Christ Aid. Pastor Jim Chamberlain graciously agreed to allow a classic rock band to invade and hook up - I was sold on the spot.Read More...
Ignorance is not bliss ... it's ignorance. It's really gratifying when you NAIL a song and everyone heard it too. That's the other side of that equation. As an old colleague of mine used to say, "It's pretty hard to fix a problem you don't know about." Nuff said, huh. Oh, and thanks so much for your purchase, SteveRead More...

Price in the UK

I can't find anything useful in the UK about the PAS including pricing. What's more your UK website doesn't even acknowledge the existence of this system. Is this something you are keeping from us? Are we denied a share in this? Or is it that you've hiked the price up in the UK and no one can afford it?Read More...
Thanks! I look forward to hearing from someone.Read More...

PAS II???

asat
Okay, I know the PAS is still in it's "revolutionary" stage but what about down-the-road? What are some things that we as users would like to see on eventual generations of PAS? Perhaps models dedicated to a particular instrument/application? Vocal, guitar, bass, keys, DJ, horn section, versions? Offer useful effects/modellers tailored for particular applications? Maybe a 4-input and/or a line-out version too? Of course, we always got the original base PAS but I wonder if something specifc...Read More...
Hey ST, good to hear from you as always. Yeah, it's not a full L1 as we know it but I've seen some Bose commercial speakers that look very much like a 1/2 L1 and they were positioned on a stand similar to what I'm attempting to describe. For these "noisy" gigs people are either walking around (airport/conventions) or sitting at a dining table so as long as the throw is about waist-head height they should at least get more coverage than a tightly focused little portable amp. We're not looking...Read More...

Need some suggestions...

On how to run the following setup: I am using a double neck bass/guitar in a duo arrangement with a drummer. I have one single PAS with two bass bins I have a Line 6 DL-4 Delay/Looper, a Digitech RP50 Modler, and the new Digitech Jamm Man Looper I want to run the Bass Rig thru a BBE Bass Pre-Amp (The BBE is a magnificent product) and then into the Digitech Jamman Looper (if you dont know about this, you want it, you need it, if you do any looping at all.. 99 banks of recordable stored loops,...Read More...
The simplest method to start would be running everything through the mixer before it hits the PAS. After that, maybe try to find ways to use the mixer only for the instruments into ch 3 or 4 and the vox mics into ch 1/2. Either method will work fer sure and after a couple of setups you'll probably see clearer about how you might be able to ditch the mixer altogether. Mixing everything into one PAS can sometimes cause a "maelstrom" effect. That means everything is coming from one source so...Read More...

I'd just like to say...

My band, Chubb Rock, from Bergen County, NJ, used this new technology for the first time ever on February 19th. This is one of the greatest things to ever happen to music, and our sound was like none ever heard before by our fans. I even decided to give Bose some "mad props" on our website... http://www.chubbrock.com/Gear.htm Our show was absolutely amazing, and Bose deserves a lot of the credit. I'm talking people on the dance floors non-stop, Chicks dancing on tables, other chicks...Read More...
hello varius,drumr holliwil et al. one fo the regular gigs my 3 piece plays is on a stage with no height to put the pas,so we used it in front of me about 4 feet away.since that i have no qualms about useing it this way.in many places we do it is not possible to place the pas behind us,however.it works just as well in other positions re the musicians location.and recently i had my gig from hell scenario.with the crowd (audience)literally knocking the mikes against our teeth.and solidly...Read More...

New Message from Steve Miller

Ken-at-Bose
Hi Everyone. It's Ken-at-Bose here. I've had some wonderful correspondence recently with Steve Miller (no introduction necessary). He has graciously allowed me to post excerpts here, knowing that this community really appreciated his comments from about a year ago. In my opinion, this fellow is a real gentleman. ********************* Hi Ken, I’ve been having a lot of fun with my towers (I can never remember the correct name) and have been using a pod and a tower in my studio for quite a...Read More...
Hi Rich, I'm glad the the Bose System is working out so well for you. Can't help with the Steve Miller endorsement, but you might find this little 'how-to' applicable. Introducing Performers to the New Bose Approach .Read More...

Love it for acoustic guitar/vocals, but....

mikelawson
I am not convinced with my Les Pauls, yet. I read somewhere here that direct with a TS9 and other boxes would sound pretty good. Well, direct through stomp boxes was just not satisfying. I don't have a little tube amp to try it with, so I haven't done the miking thing with it. I've not done the PodXT Live thing and frankly never really liked using those modeling things for anything other than direct recording. They don't respond like real tube amps and tend to sound the same on 1 as they do...Read More...
Lee, have you seen the new 5-watt Gibson tube amp they just released? I suspect a rather high-quality little package there for driving hard and close micing. Could be time to get that a try.Read More...
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