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Traditional Music System Test Results

Ken-at-Bose
Hi Folks, Yesterday, as planned, we did another round of testing of our Traditional Music System. We had 4/5 members of the wonderful bluegrass group Bow Junction ( http://www.bowjunction.com ) here at our Live Music Listening Room at the Bose Reservoir Building. This is a nightclub/small-auditorium sized performance space we use as our live music laboratory. Bow Junction purchased three Cylindrical Radiator(r) speakers more than a year ago now and use them in a variety of situations. Bow...Read More...
Hello YazSamat, Please see this new discussion for your question. Five Piece Wedding / Club Band - YazSamat Thank you.Read More...
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Getting the most out of the new Bose approach to live amplified music. In our experience, musicians considering our new approach and those now using it, like to know how they can get the most out of their investment. The Personalized Amplification System™ approach puts each musician in complete control of his or her sound, as in an unamplified performance. Because of the properties of the Cylindrical Radiator® loudspeaker, musicians can play knowing that the sound they make on stage is what...Read More...
I sure do, Wilk. In fact, he's right there in Mississauga too. Contact me at bosedirect@shaw.ca and I'll give you his name and contact info.Read More...

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Recommendation for gospel quartet

We have a group of 4 that sing in some small to medium venues, and would like to see if it's possible to use the T1 ToneMatch....utilizing the 4/5 channel for our 4th mic. What are the pros and cons of this type of set up? Also a recommendation for the best model of L1 would really help. Since we sing to backing tracks, it appears we can use a laptop to connect/play our tracks via the USB port connection. Correct? Thanks in advance for any and all help!!Read More...
Hi Wendol, I have a couple of L1® Compacts, and they are great. However, I would use an L1® Model 1S or L1® Model II for your gospel quartet and two hundred congregants The L1® Model 1S will allow you to project your sound much farther than the L1® Compact (two of them) without feedback. The L1® Model II is even better than the L1® Model 1S in this respect. As for oddly shaped spaces: If a listener cannot see the L1® then he may not be able to hear it. But all the models we are discussing...Read More...
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Bluegrass band

Today we had Rich Stillman and his four-piece group (banjo, mandolin, guitar, & upright bass) in to the Bose performance space. Rich wanted to tryout the system with his all-acoustic bluegrass band. We first set up the way these types of bands traditionally do in live situations; one mic (AKG 414) picking up the entire group. The mix is acheived by the band members moving in to, or away from the mic. With one system set up behind them, it sounded very good in the room, but we couldn't...Read More...
Hi Bruce, it's good to see that this topic is still relevant! I'm not testing this setup with new configurations for Bose, but I can tell you from our experience that mics like the ear trumpet with a wide pattern will probably have less gain before feedback. The practical effect will be that the system will work in smaller rooms than it would with more directional mics. The key to using this configuration with any mic is to place the mic in the shadow between the front and rear dispersion...Read More...
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L1 remote cable

Is there an affordable substitute 7 pin cable for the remote available out there that I can purchase as a back-up? thanks!Read More...
Hi JC, Thank you for joining the Community. And thank you for this really useful information. I"m glad that you like the site. You're seeing the new improved version that went live on Wednesday. STRead More...
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Need input on best setup for Trio with external amps.

I have a Trio and am considering an L1 model 2 with B2 sub to replace a sub and Mackie srm350 placed behind the Trio. The Trio consists of: - acoustic guitar plugged into a Fishman Loudbox Artist amp. - electric bass plugged into a Mark Bass 2x10 amp. - percussion rig consisting of a Cajon, a Djembe, a snare and cymbal. - 3 vocal mic’s. - a Behringher x32 mixer The amps are connected to the mixer. The percussion rig is mic’ed. 1 mic on the Djembe, 1 shared for the Cajon and snare. The amps...Read More...
Hi estring, With respect to the panning, that's an area for experimentation. When I set up with the my L1®s behind the band I pan each source to one (only one L1®). This works extremely well. Here are some more ideas for you to explore. The L1® Approach and the History of Amplification . STRead More...

No external amps

All the stage sketches I've seen show guitar/bass amps being used. My 3-piece rock band (guitar/bass/drums/3 vox) runs everything thru two L1 Model II B2 systems with no external guitar amp speakers used. All signals (including kick & snare mics) run thru a Mackie mixer to the Tone Match module (vox-ch 1, guitar-ch2, bass-ch3, snare-ch4. The kick runs to separate sub cab for max thump. The guitarist uses his amp head as a preamp only (it's a complex Roland modeling amp). It sounds...Read More...
Hi Fndrbss, welcome to the forum. It's always good to here about Bands going completely L1 (i.e. no back line and just the L1 sound). It's the most "homogenuous" sound I've ever heard because everything carries to all parts in the location equally. If you use a back line for guitars and an L1 for vocals, the you'll only find one sweet spot in the room regarding the instruments (if you're lucky). I joined a Cover/Dance band in 2000 and they'd been using preamps for the guitars for a few years...Read More...

Will this work for a 5-piece band

We're looking to buy a couple of L1s for our 5-piece band. Will 2 L1s cover bars/clubs, maybe the occasional small outdoor gig? Looking to downsize, like leave out the guitar amp(using Line6 modeling pedal, the XTLive). Kick drum mic'd, a couple of keyboards, sax, 4 vocal mics, bass guitar amp, possibly a small alternate keyboard for the lead singer in the future. Will this work? edit title: Previously Will this workRead More...
Hi Mike, One of the differences between the Model 1S and the Model II is that the Model II supports bass expansion with a dedicated Bass Line Out. Bass - Line Out Post-DSP bass signal output. Accepts a ¼" TRS phone cable. Used to drive a PackLite® power amplifier. Note: The signal from the Bass Line Out is specifically tuned to support a B1s or a B2. STRead More...

L1 model 11

Anyone got any ideas how to get the best out of these units please? I have 2 L1 model 11's, 2 T1's and 4 B1's. I want to be able to hear all the following items through both systems. Yamaha DGX620 keyboard Yamaha DGX205 keyboard Gibson Hummingbird via Line6 radio pack Deering tenor banjo (wired at the moment but prefer a radio pack) Audio technica radio mic Plus 3 mic's(say SM58's for arguments sake) And an iPad Keyboard player and guitar/banjo player both do vocals. We also have 2 female...Read More...
Hi gen_ii, All T1® Channels are routed to Main Output and the ToneMatch® port. You can control how much signal from each channel gets through to those outputs with the individual channel Volume controls and channel Mute buttons. Why do you ask? STRead More...

Decorating my L1s

Ive wanted to do this for some time now. Finally Ive made a backdrop for the band that hangs from my three L1s. Its made of curtains and the rod is attached to the L1 with velcro. I have two LED PARs to give colour to the backdrop. I have to stand on the B1s to reach to put it up there. It doesn't seem to be too much weight for the towers. What do you think? Will it work on stage? What have others done?Read More...
Hi Valvenerd, I just came across this, and even though Bose encourages us not to hang stuff off our L1®s, it looks like you've done a really neat job of things. You've had a couple of months to live with your new system. How is it working for you? Any comments from customers or venue management? STRead More...

L1 Compact +

I have a classic L1 with 2 B1s & An L1 Compact. If I purchase a packlite can I then power the B1's with the Compact? There must be a way. A proud Bose owner since 1971!Read More...
Duplicate discussion. Please see: L1® Compact with Bass Module This discussion is now closed.Read More...

New L1 Model 2 user

I recently received my L1 model 2 with tonematch and B2. It's set up in the lounge room at home and takes up no more room than a small combo guitar amp. I'm getting very pleasing results with my Maton EM325 and Shure SM58 plugged into a TC Helicon GXT. The tone match is set for an SM58. I find the effects in the tonematch are nicer than the reverb in the GXT and the guitar sound seems nicer through the GXT than using another channel on the tonematch with the steel string piezo setting. This...Read More...
Hi Laurie A, Thanks for using The Sketcher! Here is your Sketch. -- click image to make changes to the live version -- Legend: L1® Model II or L1® Model 1S T1 ToneMatch® audio engine There were no notes with this Sketch.Read More...

Setup Correctly???

I have 2 L1 and 2 B2's. Having a hard time getting the lead vocal out front without feedback. The next gig, I am going to try this setup. Here is a link to My Stage Layout in The Sketcher Just looking for some suggestion....thank you!Read More...
Thank you so much for the feedback. We HAD a gig Saturday, but cancelled due to snow ...our next gig is March 21st..I will move the drummer!Read More...

Variety of Venues

I am looking for a PA system for this band: http://www.pulsebeatband.com/ They play gymnasiums, small arenas, auditoriums, small clubs, and outdoor events. Crowds range from 100 to 1000. We often have to set up and break down quickly. None of the adults helping the kids out are professional musicians. We've got a lead singer, 3 guitarists, a drummer, and bass play. What bose system(s) would we need?Read More...

CLOSEST PRESET?

I`ve just acquired an Audio Technica AE 5400 condenser mic and, since there`s no preset for it on the T1, any thoughts on the best already available one that I could use, or conversely,any EQ advice? Thanks!Read More...
Thank ST & Roy....I appreciate the help! ZRead More...

Model 2 and L1 S combined?

I`m retiring my Classic that I use with my Mdl 2 for larger venues, in favour of a somewhat lighter unit [ah, the joys of aging!] The L1S seems like an affordable option, so here`s some questions...will I be able to match the levels on the two systems together, given that I never have to run my 2 louder than 1 o`clock on the Tonematch? I know there`s a 125 watt difference between the two systems but, as we know, it`s not totally about wattage and, perhaps with the L1 s` improved B2 module,...Read More...
The stage is indeed elevated with raked seating and I`m a bad judge of distance so I would have say it would be to the back row of the stalls in an average size movie theatre. That being said, this is a venue I do maybe once a year, so it`s not that big of an issue. All other venues are a lot smaller, 75% of which don`t even have a stage, so I would think a 1S would work nearly all of time since the drivers only in the upper section would approximate having speakers on a small stand and...Read More...

Using One Mic For Duo and/or Solo

captacoustic
I had originally posted this information in the technical portion of the Bose forum here. But I'm curious if any of you have experimented with a single mic and in particular, maybe this one? I play in an acoustic duo and also solo and I'm wondering if it might be a good way to try to amplify some acoustic sound for my guitar and banjos with vocal. Since it's a condenser, I have feedback concerns. I've often wondered about having a microphone that would pick up my acoustic guitar sound along...Read More...
Hi Wayne, I tried a bunch of microphones around here. It's clear that I've gotten too accustomed to having independent control of the volume for my vocal and my guitar. I'm not a strummer so I don't get a much volume out of the guitar. Neither am I a loud singer. No matter where I position a single microphone I can't get a good balance until I have the microphone at least 24-30" away. At that distance there's not enough gain-before-feedback for me to really hear the L1® for monitoring. I...Read More...

Bands in St. Louis?

Mark-at-Bose
Any bands using the Bose L1 solution in the St. Louis, MO area? Several people I know wish to hear a live performance using htese systems as designed - one L1 per musician. Thanks! ...MarkRead More...
We are working pretty regular with BOSE L-1's with B-2 bottoms in 2 projects; The Excelerators www.facebook.com/excelerators and a track backed duo called Strange www.facebook.com/StrangeDuo Schedules and other details can be found on the Facebook links listed. WesRead More...

Acoustic trio, L1 II, B2, T1 and a Compact

Just started a new acoustic trio. I play guitar and sing and have an L1 II, B2, T1 system. The other guitar player and singer has a Compact system. We also have a stand up bass player who does not sing and would need to mic his bass into one of the systems. Would it be best to run everyone into the T1 and then run the analog out to the Compact? Or keep the two systems separate with one guitar and vocal mic into the Compact and the other guitar, vocal mic and bass mic into the L1/T1?Read More...
The GT Convertibles sound great with the Shure SM58 preset. David and I played Friday night in a small bar, 60 -70 people. It was pretty noisy. Never turned the master volume above one third. People could hear us quite well and we could hear perfectly. The L1 is truly magic!Read More...

L1 Classic and Model 2

I will be using both my systems [Classic and 2 with Tonematch] for a large venue [one each side of the stage]and need to know how to use my mic through both to get maximum coverage. Having read all the negative dual mono comments, I`d really appreciate some solid advice!Read More...
It`s on Good Friday and I`ll be fronting a 16-piece big band who get pretty loud, so I will definitely need the extra coverage :] As always, thanks for your sound advice [if you`ll pardon the pun]and expertise ST! ZRead More...

4/5 piece rock band in a bar. 1 model II with B2 bass and tonematch.

The line up is : drum kit, 2 electric guitars, bass guitar. And saxophone on a few of the tunes. With one main vocal and possibly another backing vocal. We'll be using 2 30 watt guitar amplifiers, a bass amp, most likely not connected to the bose. Microphones for singer and saxophone and I was hoping to use two mics on the kit. Bass drum and snare. I have 4 sm 58s at my disposal and a few decent drum mics. A friend has a bose compact that I can use too. I have a soundcraft 600 powered mixer...Read More...
Hi Multiac, (Multiac as in a Godin?) Thank you for joining the Forum. Please take a couple of minutes and show us how you plan to set up your stage. We have a tool for that. The Sketcher . Rock band in a bar? How big is the bar? (number of people?)Read More...

L1 for blues band

Hi everyone, I'm new to this forum so I don't know if the answer to this question is around here somewhere. If it is I appologize in return. I currently own a L1 Compact, that I use for acoustic solo gigs with the following gear: - Rozawood Blues acoustic guitar (OOO/OM-ish) with McIntyre Feather or Fishman soundhole pickup and L.R. Baggs preamp. - Resonator guitar (biscuit type) - Shure SM58 for vocals - Edirol digital mixer Resently I've co-founded a blues band where I play acoustic,...Read More...
Hi there, I think you will find that in a band set-up, the L1 Compacts will likely not be enough. To be fair, i've never used an L1 compact but i just can't see it happening. I'm a blues player - I play guitar and piano in a blues duo - swapping about between my roland RD700GX electric piano, and vintage National resonator guitars - loaded with. Highlander pickups. I also play some acoustic guitars (Kay dreadnought, and a Gibson L50 archtop F-hole acoustic) loaded with vintage Dearmond...Read More...

L1 Compact and L1 Model 2 combo

Beale Bros band in San Antonio. We use a Bose L1 Model 2 and L1 Compact. Country and R&R. Lead singer sings thru the Compact with his acoustic guitar. I play electric bass and sing backup vocals thru the Model 2. Lead guitar player just plays thru a Fender DeLuxe with another amp daisy chained or we will mic it thru the Model 2. No issues about drummers being loud. This is about a 1000 watt PA that fits into a Honda Civic. We play every week and I have used the Bose for 100+ gigs.Read More...

TONEMATCH REVERB SETTING?

Any help/advice with getting a really good vocal reverb sound with the Tonematch? I just can`t seem to nail that cool, spacious, subtle pro studio reverb sound, or maybe that`s outside of the T1`s parameters? Everything I`ve come up with thus far sounds like I`m in a mine shaft or the Grand Canyon [!] depending on the setting, so if anyone can help me dial in something that doesn`t have that kind of splashy surf sound,it would be appreciated :]Read More...
Thanks for the input O....sound advice if you`ll pardon the pun. ZRead More...

Bluegrass band

I have a family bluegrass band. We have 2 Li model 2s , 2 T1s, 4 bass modules. We have an area mic KSM 44 center stage with 2 KSM 109 stage left (banjo and fiddle solo) and a KSM 109 and SM81 (Mandolin and guitar solo mics). Feedback is the issue with 5 condenser mics on stage and forget monitors. We woulod lie to eliminate feedback and have monitors. Anyone with success in this scenerio?Read More...
Hi Peterson Family Band, Thank you for joining the Forum. Since you have [p]two[/b] L1®s, you might could try an approach that Bose suggests in this article. Bluegrass Band with L1®s Please click the picture to see the whole article. The article predates the Model II but I think the principles could still be applicable. If you try this approach please let us know how it works for you. Thanks.Read More...

T1® Daisy Chain

ST
In response to this article about connecting two T1®s to a Model II T1 ToneMatch® Audio Engine / Connections to Model II --== click the picture to see it in context ==-- Jimmy & Val posted quote: Originally posted by jivauk: ... Thought you might consider the way we use 2 x T1 as an additional option to the published one? Connect Master Out of first T1 into Channel 4 or 5 of second T1, then connect only second T1 to the L1 power stand. That way the second T1 controls the overall volume...Read More...
Hi Thumper, Yes, each T1® will need its own power supply.Read More...

TONEMATCH & JAZZ ARCHTOP

Recommendations please? I`m gonna run my Eddie Durham JX 17N [big fat single pickup archtop guitar] thru my Tonematch and, given that there are myriad great guitar settings in there to choose from, does anyone already have a definitive one for capturing that cool, full-sounding rhythm guitar vibe? Many thanks!Read More...
I agree...I think the L5 was definitely the template and I also concur vis a vis zero EQ and effects, so I`ll just let the instrument shine through :] Thanks again! ZRead More...
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